Tamper Tantrum (Mueller Thread v. 17)

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Meanwhile, in the real world a member of Trump's circle was in regular contact with one of the indicted hackers.
 
Darkballs said:
For fucks sake, stop chopping short posts into 43,000 parts
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One for each deleted Hillary Clinton e-mail, plus 10,000 for good measure. :D

Darkballs said:
You stomp around with some useless distinction ("this isn't the first time the russians hacked ANY servers") and act like your some beacon of truth in a world of liars. No one else bothered with that distinction because it bore no relevance.
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No, I merely refuted your statement that Russia did not hack the DNC until July 27, 2016. Apparently you know better than Mueller, whose indictment says Russia started its hacking operations in March 2016.

Darkballs said:
Half of the above you is dismissing the plain language that trump spoke with "how can any of us know what he truly meant." As if taking the President at his word was a fault. The other half is then declaring to know what trump really meant, which was some harmless mention of past emails which somehow gets him off the hook for giving a big wink to the russians to go ahead and try again.
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You're supposing that Trump meant something at all. His statement made no sense and the guy is known for rambling.

I don't pretend to know what he meant. I do know that if he was trying to send a signal to Russia to perform more hacking, this method would be one of the stupidest conceivable.
 
44nutman said:
Don’t give me this most likely bullshit, traitor.
Russia fucked with our elections and Trump is meeting with Putin in Russia. Those are the facts, Jack. Trump is telling everyone Putin is his easiest meeting. A country attacks us and we fucking praise them.
There are 2 choices. One is roll over and let Russia keep pounding your asshole or the second choice is to sanction them into oblivion.
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Daily reminder the democratic party is accepting more and more socialists/communists and you call someone objective a traitor.
 
waiguoren said:
Which crimes did Donald Trump commit related to Russian interference in the 2016 election?
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We will see.

My guess is nothing that can be conclusively proved.
He doesn't exactly have the stench of honesty on him, does he?

The people around him are Russia loving scumbags.
 
waiguoren said:
No, my "rhetorical posture" is to oppose the unfounded hysteria that has overtaken this thread.
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With this bunch, it's Russians everywhere you look.
The hysteria is well founded and this President seems very unwilling to criticise Russia or chastise them.

I wonder why that should be.
 
OeuvrePressure said:
With this bunch, it's Russians everywhere you look.
The hysteria is well founded and this President seems very unwilling to criticise Russia or chastise them.

I wonder why that should be.
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I wonder why Trump has been harder on Russia than any president since the end of the Cold War.

  • About 200 Russians were killed in Trump's airstrikes in Syria (April 2017)
  • Trump has armed Ukraine with Javelin missile complexes (Obama refused), and Russia issued an angry denunciation in response. (December 2017)
  • Trump's Treasury Department sanctioned seven Russian oligarchs, 12 companies they controlled and 17 senior Russian officials in response to Russian interference in the 2016 election. (April 2018)

Trump has also been outwardly friendly toward China's leadership, while at the same time being tougher on the US-China trade relationship than any president we've ever had. North Korea is another example. He likes to flatter people as a tool to extract concessions.
 
waiguoren said:
I wonder why Trump has been harder on Russia than any president since the end of the Cold War.

  • About 200 Russians were killed in Trump's airstrikes in Syria (April 2017)
  • Trump has armed Ukraine with Javelin missile complexes (Obama refused), and Russia issued an angry denunciation in response. (December 2017)
  • Trump's Treasury Department sanctioned seven Russian oligarchs, 12 companies they controlled and 17 senior Russian officials in response to Russian interference in the 2016 election. (April 2018)

Trump has also been outwardly friendly toward China's leadership, while at the same time being tougher on the US-China trade relationship than any president we've ever had. North Korea is another example. He likes to flatter people as a tool to extract concessions.
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You ...don't really believe that, do you?

Them some thick political lenses you're using to see through
 
OeuvrePressure said:
You ...don't really believe that, do you?

Them some thick political lenses you're using to see through
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Everything I listed is a fact. $47 million in antitank missile systems to Ukraine over vehement Russian opposition, bombing Syria + 200 dead Russian troops, tough new sanctions targeting the highest levels of the Russian state...post-Reagan, which president has been tougher on Russia than Trump, and how?
 
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waiguoren said:
Everything I listed is a fact. $47 million in antitank missile systems to Ukraine over vehement Russian opposition, bombing Syria + 200 dead Russian troops, tough new sanctions targeting the highest levels of the Russian state...post-Reagan, which president has been tougher on Russia than Trump, and how?
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"I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama, just look at the facts. Total Fake News!"
— Donald Trump on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018 in a tweet




Has Donald Trump 'been much tougher on Russia' than Barack Obama?
By Louis Jacobson, John Kruzel on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018 at 5:16 p.m.



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President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin talk during the APEC Summit in Danang, Vietnam on Nov. 11, 2017. (Jorge Silva/Pool via AP)
Amid swelling evidence of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election, President Donald Trump pushed back against critics who say he's given the Kremlin a free pass.

In one tweet on Feb. 20, Trump said, "I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama, just look at the facts. Total Fake News!"

The tweet immediately drew guffaws among media commentators and on social media, who quickly plucked examples of Trump downplaying evidence of a far-reaching effort by Russia to meddle in the election. (Just a day earlier, we gave Trump a Pants on Fire for tweeting that he "never said Russia did not meddle in the election.")

When we looked at the past decade of U.S.-Russia policy, however, we found a more nuanced picture. Tougher government policies implemented under President Barack Obama have largely continued under Trump, even though they were often overshadowed — and perhaps undercut — by Trump’s friendly remarks and tweets toward Russia and President Vladimir Putin.
...Politifact.
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ETA https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/371333-state-dept-tells-congress-no-additional-russia-sanctions-necessary-at?amp

ETA https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/timeline-trumps-delays-russia-sanctions/story?id=50733408

ETA www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/amp19446355/trump-implement-russia-sanctions/
 
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@OeuvrePressure

You need to learn to link properly to webpages.

Anyway, I Googled the article and read it. Obviously, it's absurd to assign a truth rating to Trump's statement, but Politifact is a business, after all.

Obama did nothing in the same league as killing Russian troops or giving antitank missiles to Ukraine. Again, Trump has been harder on Russia than any president post-Reagan.

In typical Politifact fashion, key paragraphs are buried at the bottom:

Trump’s two highest-profile acts challenging Russia were his cruise missile attack against Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, a Russian ally, and his approval of lethal arms sales to Ukraine. In both of those cases, Trump went further than Obama did, though it remains to be seen how thoroughly the administration will follow through on both developments.

To the extent that Trump’s policies against Russia have met or exceeded Obama’s post-2014 policies, the credit goes more to his agencies and Congress, experts said. These policies are ones that "hawkish military types in his orbit like, and were not likely from his own initiative," said Wengle, the University of Notre Dame professor.
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waiguoren said:
@OeuvrePressure

You need to learn to link properly to webpages.

Anyway, I Googled the article and read it. Obviously, it's absurd to assign a truth rating to Trump's statement, but Politifact is a business, after all.

Obama did nothing in the same league as killing Russian troops or giving antitank missiles to Ukraine. Again, Trump has been harder on Russia than any president post-Reagan.

In typical Politifact fashion, key paragraphs are buried at the bottom:

Trump’s two highest-profile acts challenging Russia were his cruise missile attack against Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, a Russian ally, and his approval of lethal arms sales to Ukraine. In both of those cases, Trump went further than Obama did, though it remains to be seen how thoroughly the administration will follow through on both developments.

To the extent that Trump’s policies against Russia have met or exceeded Obama’s post-2014 policies, the credit goes more to his agencies and Congress, experts said. These policies are ones that "hawkish military types in his orbit like, and were not likely from his own initiative," said Wengle, the University of Notre Dame professor.
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I tried to fix it properly a few times then ran outta patience.

It's beyond argument at the least that no president since RR has needed to be as hard on Russia, considering what they've done.

It seems very bizarre how he didn't want to implement the sanctions and was, is clearly reticent to criticize Putin or directly condemn Russian interference, much less admit it occurred. He is at odds with the agencies who assert it.

I'll give Trump this: he has little guile. He's very surface level; with Donny Moscow the way a thing appears is usually the way it is.

We can draw our own conclusions.
 
waiguoren said:
This guy is still upset that DONALD TRUMP beat him in his home state of UTAH.

If you lose to Donald Trump in Utah as a Mormon, you should retire from politics immediately.
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Fuck that, if you're a seasoned politician who doesn't lie nearly as often as a glorified teevee show host/ steak huckster/ripoff businessman who's changed his stance on most everything depending on which way the wind blows, and you lose to him, you should kill yourself.

Unless he got tons of very patriotic help from some other country, who knows which, it's a completely unsolvable mystery
 
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