That's Not REAL Socialism...Democratic Socialists of America Platform

[panamaican]

They have 50,000 members and the guy who inspired their movement got 13.2 million votes in 2016, I think they got a bigger impact on our politics than the villainous alt-right.

50000 is peanuts in a nation of 300 million. And the guy who inspired their movement....<45> GTFO with that, lol.

Tell me about the guy who actually ran as part of their party.

 

[panamaican]

They've gotten a few candidates in as Dems recently. A couple primaried mainstream Dems, some ran as Dems in places where there wasn't an alternative candidate. I think one of the virginia legislative upsets was theirs. They've got a few thousands of members, putting them well wehind heavyweights like the Greens, Liberterians, or the Constitution Party, who are clearly major threats to the stability of the nation.

The Green party wins seats too. That doesn't change negligible impact.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Any source for this where I can look into that assertion?

Assertion for what specifically?

 

[Greoric]

Assertion for what specifically?

Your post that I replied to. It was interesting.

 

[Seaside]

So many lies to this post. It is similar to another lie of "communism and marxism kills millions" ignoring that technically the ideology does not call for doing that.

Also socialism did work in the USSR the collapse was other reasons.

 

[lifelessheap]

So many lies to this post. It is similar to another lie of "communism and marxism kills millions" ignoring that technically the ideology does not call for doing that.

Also socialism did work in the USSR the collapse was other reasons.

Oh it worked in the USSR? Tell that to the millions who were killed or starved to death.

 

[Seaside]

Oh it worked in the USSR? Tell that to the millions who were killed or starved to death.

The same has happened under capitalistic systems. I nevrr know why this is so hard for people on either side to figure out. Both ideologies dont call for killing. But you can certainly be either one and support whatever other views. They capitalism and socialism are simply econonic systems and economic philosophy of how economy of a state should work.

Another thing i dont get is that some right wingers who say what you are go on about Israel or japan protecting there borders. Well what do thise places have in common? Socialisit type iseology and ethnostates. It is entirely possible for a homogenous population to work together if everyone really does pull fair share. In USSR you largely had to pull your share if you didnt well yeah.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Your post that I replied to. It was interesting.

Youve never picked up a history book and read about the Haymarket bombing? The New Deal?

Arent you one of the guys who called FDR a communist?

 

[AndroidRage]

Wait so you just want less access and quality of healthcare for everyone overall? That's crazy talk. When you can show me empirically that a compulsory funded monopoly Is better able to distribute and allocate scarce resources better than a decentralized market, I'll be on board. Besides that, hold off on the cage and no-knock raid threats for not funding an extortion racket, please.

By the way, that will also do little (actually nothing) to curb your concerns over wealth inequality.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...althcare-system-compare-countries/#item-start

 

[VivaRevolution]

What does DSA believe in?

Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state — though the exact specifics of “abolishing capitalism” are fiercely debated by socialists.

In practice, that means DSA [members advocate] ending private ownership of a wide range of industries whose products are viewed as “necessities,” which they say should not be left to those seeking to turn a profit. According to the DSA’s current mission statement, the government should ensure that all citizens receive adequate food, housing, health care, child care, and education. DSA also believes that the government should “democratize” private businesses — i.e., force owners to give workers control of them — to the greatest extent possible.

But DSA members also say that overthrowing capitalism must include the eradication of “hierarchical systems” that lie beyond the market as well. As a result, DSA supports the missions of Black Lives Matter, gay and lesbian rights, and environmentalism as integral parts of this broader “anti-capitalist” program.

“Socialism is about democratizing the family to get rid of patriarchal relations; democratizing the political sphere to get genuine participatory democracy; democratizing the schools by challenging the hierarchical relationship between the teachers of the school and the students of the school,” said Jared Abbott, a member of the DSA’s national steering committee. “Socialism is the democratization of all areas of life, including but not limited to the economy.”


While both DSA and some left-wing Democrats agree that the government should provide universal health insurance, DSA ultimately wants to nationalize hospitals, providers, and the rest of the health care system as well. While both will work toward higher taxes on Wall Street, DSA ultimately wants to nationalize the entire financial sector. While left-wing Democrats believe in criminal justice reform, some DSA members are calling for the outright abolition of the police and prison systems. While both DSA and left-wing Democrats support reforms to get money out of politics, some in DSA see capitalism as fundamentally incompatible with genuinely free and fair elections. In practice, however, the two wind up ultimately taking the same positions.





https://www.dsausa.org/where_we_stand#role
https://www.dsausa.org/our_structure
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ocasio-cortez-democratic-socialist-of-america




So if Democratic Socialists aren't 'socialists' and they want to end capitalism...what are they?

I found this nationalist websight that said anyone who isn't white should be killed.

I guess if your against NATO, you want to kill everyone who isn't white.

Checkmate bitch.

 

[Greoric]

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...althcare-system-compare-countries/#item-start

Without opening it up that does not say what you think it does.

 

[AndroidRage]

Without opening it up that does not say what you think it does.

It says exactly what i think it does. How can you say it doesn't without even looking at it?

 

[Bargey]

Lol do any of you people here defending the 1% even hang out with those people? Seems to me that most of you working class internet warriors aren't making that type of millionaire or billionaire bank and are defending interests that are not your own. Why?

You miss the point. It’s not about defending the interests of the top 1% but rather defending the system that allows anyone to realistically aspire to be in the top 1% or even top 0.1%.

 

[AndroidRage]

You miss the point. It’s not about defending the interests of the top 1% but rather defending the system that allows anyone to realistically aspire to be in the top 1% or even top 0.1%.

Interests of the top 1% are to keep people like you or I from getting to the top 1%. How higher taxes on the rich or a stronger middle class would prevent some one from gaining upward economic mobility I have no idea. You would think that would make it easier for someone to be able to claw their way towards the top.

 

[Prutfis]

Also socialism did work in the USSR