The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 4

Prutfis said:
To the rest of the rational world your gun fetisch is a joke. Americans deserve their school shootings and I hope your kids are next.
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@alanb making my local paper.

http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/loc...mits-issued-least-2006-court-cases-may-change

Young filed his case challenging the state law without an attorney in the Hawaii District Court, but when it was dismissed in 2012, San Diego-based attorney Alan Beck entered the case.

“He had his civil rights violated by the court,” said Beck, explaining that occurred when the judge dismissed the case outright rather than address the concerns expressed. “The lower court ignored what he was asking for and just threw out the case.”

There were also some other legal matters that Beck feels were done improperly, so he filed an appeal.

But the Young case has to follow what happens in an ongoing 2012 case from Honolulu, Baker v. Kealoha, challenging that a lack of issuance unfairly denied people their rights.

Regardless of what occurs in the Peruta or Baker cases, Beck sees a possibility that a decision in the Young case will make open carry of handguns possible in Hawaii, Beck said. It’s also possible it would allow people to carry permitted rifles in general, not exclusively to and from approved areas.

If the Ninth Circuit case goes up to the current Supreme Court, a decision would likely be four to four, assuming the nation’s highest court even takes the case, Beck said.

Since the Heller case was five to four, and the now-deceased Anton Scalia wrote in favor of the gun rights-friendly decision.

The Heller case established that banning handguns in public areas and keeping them nonfunctional in the home was unconstitutional.

The appeal in the Ninth Circuit gives enough time that Donald Trump may be elected and able to fill that position, Beck said.
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Next up nationally will be a series of taser cases. The Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that tasers are within the scope of the Second Amendment right and reversed the Mass. Supreme Court which said they could be banned without any justification from the government. Cases are being filed in D.C. and New Orleans in the near future. I will be filing a case in New Jersey in the next couple months.
 
Let me simplify the gun argument for everyone......

Does anyone have a solution that would stop the shootings?

........No? Then shut the fuck up(Not at you TS, just in general)
 
Looks like suicide is a much larger problem than homicide is.
 
-- gun availability is a factor. it has been shown that higher firearm ownership correlates to more homicide, and is reflected as such in state-to-state data comp. (miller et al., 2002; see also siegal, ross and king, 2013).
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Well, gun ownership has gone up and gun homicide rates have gone done, at least within the US.

More guns, less murders. So if black lives truly matter to you, go buy a bunch of guns.
 
I'll make a couple of points.

The people should always have the right to defend themselves from their government and any other threat.

The 2nd amendment is what supports that right.
 
If you want to have the right to own guns in America you will obviously have a higher gun violence rate. Its mostly just a numbers game more guns means cheaper gun prices which makes it easier for people that shouldn't have guns to get them. Just compare it to Europe it is much more difficult for the wrong person to get a gun.

But personally I would rather have the right to own guns and take my chances. Not a fan of the government preventing me to own a gun when.
 
1. Wealth disparity and drug prohibition.
2. Not really.
3. To what?
4. Dgaf.
 
Gun laws work.

The problem is the illegal(and sometimes legal) interstate gun trade as well as the lack of accountability for legal owners/dealers past the initial purchase.

Most weapons used in gun crimes are over 10 years old from point of purchase to committing a crime and no one really knows how they make that journey.

A weapon purchased in Florida, Georgia, and other states with lax gun laws are commonly found 10 years later in inner cities like Chicago and Detroit long since removed from the original legal owner.
 
Roughly 65% of gun deaths are due to suicide.

More than 90% of firearm related deaths are via handgun.

Government solution? Ban Semi-automatic rifles.

Yep, that'll take care of the issue. Great job.
 
lookslikeseen said:
Roughly 65% of gun deaths are due to suicide.

More than 90% of firearm related deaths are via handgun.

Government solution? Ban Semi-automatic rifles.

Yep, that'll take care of the issue. Great job.
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Politicians go after rifles because they're an easy target, a low hanging fruit for legislation. Something obviously unnecessarily dangerous to most people and they might actually make some progress on.

The truth is if they were talking about banning or regulating handguns you'd be blowing your gasket just as hard, if not harder.
 
Rational Poster said:
Politicians go after rifles because they're an easy target, a low hanging fruit for legislation. Something obviously unnecessarily dangerous to most people and they might actually make some progress on.

The truth is if they were talking about banning or regulating handguns you'd be blowing your gasket just as hard, if not harder.
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Its kind of like banning Uhaul trucks because of what happened in Nice, and then claiming you're doing it to prevent vehicle related deaths.
 
Rational Poster said:
Politicians go after rifles because they're an easy target, a low hanging fruit for legislation. Something obviously unnecessarily dangerous to most people and they might actually make some progress on.
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Which is why the slippery slope isn't necessarily a fallacy.
 
Rational Poster said:
Gun laws work.

The problem is the illegal(and sometimes legal) interstate gun trade as well as the lack of accountability for legal owners/dealers past the initial purchase.

Most weapons used in gun crimes are over 10 years old from point of purchase to committing a crime and no one really knows how they make that journey.

A weapon purchased in Florida, Georgia, and other states with lax gun laws are commonly found 10 years later in inner cities like Chicago and Detroit long since removed from the original legal owner.
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Link for the above stats.

Most guns criminals use are gotten through straw purchases or illegal FFL dealer sales.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
Which is why the slippery slope isn't necessarily a fallacy.
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The government doesn't want gun laws to prevent you from having guns and disarming you. You're already disarmed by the convenience of society and media. You're already outgunned and outmaneuvered.

The government doesn't want taxpayers dying early after wasting money attempting to educate them. The government doesn't want to pay for medical bills for endless streams of gunshot wounds from people that can't pay for their own injuries. The government doesn't want to pay for the broken families created by gun violence.
 
Rational Poster said:
The government doesn't want gun laws to prevent you from having guns and disarming you. You're already disarmed by the convenience of society and media. You're already outgunned and outmaneuvered.

The government doesn't want taxpayers dying early after wasting money attempting to educate them. The government doesn't want to pay for medical bills for endless streams of gunshot wounds from people that can't pay for their own injuries. The government doesn't want to pay for the broken families created by gun violence.
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