The attitudes of casuals are trickling into the hardcore fandom

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

They don't give a fuck what any of us make sir, but they're not watching do our jobs.
People care because they get attached to certain fighters and then realize they're taking Dana's dick in their ass.

That upsets some people.
The fuckin bonuses have been the same for like 15 years ffs.
Are you saying that the UFC can't afford better bonuses at least?

Yeah some fighters get some money, but more fighters get fucked over.
And yes they sign the contract, but it's not like they have many places to turn to since the UFC has bought out 95% of the competition.

There's issues with the system, and it should be corrected.
You're telling me Dana (who's never fought a day in his life) should be worth a half a billion, and guys fighting to put food on the table barely make ends meet?

Its fucky at best.

We are capitalists not communists or socialists. These are people often times with no skills but fighting. UFC should pay as little as possible until people start choosing other jobs over MMA. Let the market balance itself off.

Besides, people should care more about UFC’s profits than fighter pay. UFC will be the one to grow and improve the sport, find more fight locations, put on more fights, and secure better broadcasting.

UFC’s profits directly affect the fans that own stock in TKO and people who want to watch a quality profit on TV.

Dana White as a founder of a UFC deserve billlions if anything. Some random guy who lacks job market relevancy and can only fight deserves 30-50 k a year if they aren’t exceptional champion fighters.

 

[Bork Neslar]

"Hardcore" fans are usually as dumb as casuals.

 

[BigSexy444]

Of all the things I have on my mind, worrying about what someone else is being paid for a job they are choosing to do isn't near the top of the list.

 

[Emporio Alnino]

i've been here since 2002 when these dudes were making jack shit and their payout has never been a concern of mine. fuck off with your moral grandstanding.

 

[BLIND]

Hardcore fans of this sport have historically always cared about fighter pay and treatment.

And it's pretty self evident as to why -
If you're a hardcore fan of this sport, you tend to enjoy some of the finer things and intricacies about it. Something about it has pulled you in, above and beyond the level of a casual.

Maybe it's the sacrifices that fighters make, maybe it's the courage displayed in the heat of battle (heart), maybe its a combination of that stuff and other things, but something has pulled you in. And when you have a high degree of appreciation and respect for what fighters go through, it's both emotionally and intellectually logical to want to see said fighters compensated and treated appropriately.

It is plainly, and self evidently, casual fans of the sport that don't give a shit about fighter pay. They want to see blood and violence. They want to see roided up gorillas swinging wildly until one goes down. Their engagement with the sport starts and stops with the entertainment provided by violence that is momentarily flashing on their screens. Of course when that is the extent of your engagement with the sport, it's completely reasonable to not give a fuck about fighter pay.

So can someone explain to me why the fuck there is a large minority of people within the hardcore Fandom that shit on people concerned about fighter pay? Often, these people don't even attempt to make an argument about whether or not fighter pay is good - they shit on the very idea of giving a fuck about fighter pay and treatment.

Here you are, posting on an obscure karate message board that has been around since the 90s, that is dedicated to the 24/7 365 discussion of mma and martial arts, talking about "why do you give a shit about what another man is paid?" Or "he's not gonna send you a check bro"

Like....BRUH


Do you hear yourself??

Have a look around you.

Look at where you are.

Have a moment of self awareness for the first time in your life.

Motherfuckers are really out here posting 5 McGregor threads a day on a 25 year old karate message board asking "why do you care about fighter pay?"

IDK MAN - maybe because my appreciation of the fighters goes beyond "hurrr durrr sweaty muscle man goes brrrr" *clapping monkey noises*

Do you not realize what a fuckin weirdo you are for being a hardcore fan of this sport and NOT caring about fighter pay? You are a freakish anomaly and should be regarded as such.

They hate the fighters of a sport they enjoy. It is retarded. Unlike the NFL or NBA where all the whiners are millionaires, fighters in the UFC have an unbelievably hard and inconsistent career and future. I’d understand the IDGAF attitude if every fighter had Conor money, but with ppl getting 15/15k and that kinda shit it is embarrassing. Fair weather fans who also write off a fighter after a single loss.

Pricks exist

 

[Clark Rogers]

Green belt presumptive drivel.

"I'm a bigger fan than u because I care about their wallets, neener"

What a flex lol

 

[Lawrence]

Hardcore fans of this sport have historically always cared about fighter pay and treatment.

And it's pretty self evident as to why -
If you're a hardcore fan of this sport, you tend to enjoy some of the finer things and intricacies about it. Something about it has pulled you in, above and beyond the level of a casual.

Maybe it's the sacrifices that fighters make, maybe it's the courage displayed in the heat of battle (heart), maybe its a combination of that stuff and other things, but something has pulled you in. And when you have a high degree of appreciation and respect for what fighters go through, it's both emotionally and intellectually logical to want to see said fighters compensated and treated appropriately.

It is plainly, and self evidently, casual fans of the sport that don't give a shit about fighter pay. They want to see blood and violence. They want to see roided up gorillas swinging wildly until one goes down. Their engagement with the sport starts and stops with the entertainment provided by violence that is momentarily flashing on their screens. Of course when that is the extent of your engagement with the sport, it's completely reasonable to not give a fuck about fighter pay.

So can someone explain to me why the fuck there is a large minority of people within the hardcore Fandom that shit on people concerned about fighter pay? Often, these people don't even attempt to make an argument about whether or not fighter pay is good - they shit on the very idea of giving a fuck about fighter pay and treatment.

Here you are, posting on an obscure karate message board that has been around since the 90s, that is dedicated to the 24/7 365 discussion of mma and martial arts, talking about "why do you give a shit about what another man is paid?" Or "he's not gonna send you a check bro"

Like....BRUH


Do you hear yourself??

Have a look around you.

Look at where you are.

Have a moment of self awareness for the first time in your life.

Motherfuckers are really out here posting 5 McGregor threads a day on a 25 year old karate message board asking "why do you care about fighter pay?"

IDK MAN - maybe because my appreciation of the fighters goes beyond "hurrr durrr sweaty muscle man goes brrrr" *clapping monkey noises*

Do you not realize what a fuckin weirdo you are for being a hardcore fan of this sport and NOT caring about fighter pay? You are a freakish anomaly and should be regarded as such.

1) Casuals pay for PPV which is the only way to really influence fighter pay.

2) Hardcores stream... Stealing from the fighters and doing nothing positive for fighter pay.

If you are going to use generalizations for your walls of text... The above generalizations checkmate anything you really have said.

 

[TJH Exitium]

Obviously everybody should be paid fairly...

...but why the hell would I give a shit about how much money another man is paid?
serious question

 

[blackheart]

Obviously everybody should be paid fairly...

...but why the hell would I give a shit about how much money another man is paid?
serious question

Because they sacrifice their bodies and minds for your entertainment. Is that really that perplexing to you?

 

[blackheart]

1) Casuals pay for PPV which is the only way to really influence fighter pay.

2) Hardcores stream... Stealing from the fighters and doing nothing positive for fighter pay.

If you are going to use generalizations for your walls of text... The above generalizations checkmate anything you really have said.

1) that has zero to do with this thread and in no way engages with anything I said in the op
2) this isn't true, and also has nothing to do with this thread

Maybe you should try reading instead of making up counter arguments that have nothing to do with this thread? I know I know. Reading is tough! You have 5 second tik tok videos. Who needs reading?!

 

[Azure]

I have been watching since UFC 1.. My take is fighters are grown ass people that sign a contract. They have the option to sign somewhere else if they can make more or get a real job.

 

[Kevster]

Hate to break it to you, but the “hardcore” fans are amongst the biggest window lickers out there.

Soz.

 

[roganisonly5foot3]

They make too much in my opinion. Ever since they started paying there guys big money they never fight anymore.

 

[doggo]

Look I’m all for fighters getting paid, but it’s also a bit weird to me to see another man care what a man is getting paid. That’s their business, and they’ve agreed to fight for a price. That’s their deal. Think they give a fuck what you make?

Maybe if they watched me beat people up or get beat up, they would! Of course they don't when we don't even exist for them

 

[Lawrence]

1) that has zero to do with this thread and in no way engages with anything I said in the op
2) this isn't true, and also has nothing to do with this thread

Maybe you should try reading instead of making up counter arguments that have nothing to do with this thread? I know I know. Reading is tough! You have 5 second tik tok videos. Who needs reading?!

Your first sentence. This sets the narrative for the entire piece.

"Hardcore fans of this sport have historically always cared about fighter pay and treatment."

If you care about fighter pay... You pay the fighters... YOU... Meaning purchasing PPV. Not fucking pirating.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

Hardcores…. casuals…

this sounds like high school cafeteria talk lol

 

[doggo]

bud I seen the first UFC at a bar back in 93. I've been a fan for 31 years and I could give a flying fuck what these guys make. Why would a person care what someone else earns unless it's their husband or wife. Like grow the fuck up already. 95% of the UFC fights today are shit anyways. Dogfight Wild Tournament's one show was more entertaining than all the UFC cards of the last decade combined minus Mark Hunt vs Bigfoot.

Bro that was horrible, everything was just wrog and the "damage control" after every concussion or (fake)injury was just pathetic, second time around even worse.

God i hate that guy.

 

[usernamee]

3 fights per year.

6-8 week fight camp per fight.

18-24 "work weeks" a year.

$10,000 to $20,000 per fight, plus opportunities for bonus.

$30,000 to $60,000 per year for 18 to 24 weeks of work.

24 weeks x 7 days a week x 12 hour days ÷ $30,000 salary = $14.88 an hour. But you're also 0-3 in the UFC so maybe this isn't for you.

24 work weeks out of 52 weeks.

That's worst case scenario.

Best case scenario you go from plumber to coke head millionaire.

Can you find a fighter this fits and show me a GIF of him getting elbowed into Bolivian. I'd like to watch that knowing the guy is making $14.88 an hour.

 

[ferrisjso]

We are capitalists not communists or socialists. These are people often times with no skills but fighting. UFC should pay as little as possible until people start choosing other jobs over MMA. Let the market balance itself off.

Besides, people should care more about UFC’s profits than fighter pay. UFC will be the one to grow and improve the sport, find more fight locations, put on more fights, and secure better broadcasting.

UFC’s profits directly affect the fans that own stock in TKO and people who want to watch a quality profit on TV.

Dana White as a founder of a UFC deserve billlions if anything. Some random guy who lacks job market relevancy and can only fight deserves 30-50 k a year if they aren’t exceptional champion fighters.

Speak for yourself.

But as fucked up as it is if you want an answer TS this is probably it.

 

[Natural Order]

Don't worry chump just keep living in a fish bowl like a beta.

Betta.