Opinion The downfall of western morals started with our foreign policy

[Seaside]

There were never any morals when it came to foreign policy.

I do believe that American moral decadence gained a lot of momentum from the pointless Vietnam War. That was really a turning point for that particular generation. The worthlessness of that war, and its association with patriotism, "conservative values" and tradition, made the youth look to elsewhere for solutions, resulting in "hippie culture".

Nobody wants to die for a worthless cause, under god-forsaken circumstances. Marxism, socialism, leftism, cosmopolitanism etc. and all the degeneracy associated with it, enticed the lost youth with a preferable "anti-war" cause, by railing against the Vietnam war, even if the ideologies themselves were no more inherently "pacifist" than nationalist, conservative ideology. Seizing on youthful rebellion, provoked even further with the insanity of sending these youth to die a worthless death, left-wing ideas attained a permanent position in the mainstream whereas in previous times they would have been seen as obscure and fringe. The young men grew up, and they became older men, and had now attained positions of authority, where they could pass on their ideas as legitimate and acceptable.

The after-effect is witnessed today with many right-wing "nationalists" being anti-war and anti-government for counter-cultural purposes, acknowledging themselves to no longer represent mainstream points of view, while many left-wingers defend interventionism for the sake of "globalism", now that they are associated with the mainstream, and are forced to act "pragmatic". The circumstances of governing have not changed, even if the trends have moved on.

The real left should still be anti intervention. but yeah you see leftists like rational poster defending attacking Ukraine and syria.

 

[Seaside]

We....us.....are you still on that kick where you think native Americans were black people and you are a defendant of them??? Fucking lol.

He has a point on the forcing christianity to them. But lol they werent black

 

[bushman505]

He has a point on the forcing christianity to them. But lol they werent black

I agree. It hilarious how he thinks the majority of black people in America are descendants of native Americans who were actually Hebrews.....sorry but nope, black people were brought over from the transatlantic slave trade and that’s that.

 

[StrikerKing]

It started when as a society we took our focus off of God and Christian values. Not from the government, but rather the citizenry. Now we celebrate our godlessness and champion things like open marriages, abortion, tranny kids being pumped full of hormones, etc. while demonizing things like not being alone with a woman who isn't your wife.

edit: I answered this as if it read morals in the west, not western morals themselves, although I don't feel my answer would be TOO different.

That's like, your opinion man. In my opinion, sociel morality has been improving for decades and is higher now than anytime in human history. And that's a fact.

 

[hillelslovak87]

That's like, your opinion man. In my opinion, sociel morality has been improving for decades and is higher now than anytime in human history. And that's a fact.

I love when the guy who looks like his attic is filled with women's shoes is bemoaning men being with women who aren't their wives.

 

[TheComebackKid]

We....us.....are you still on that kick where you think native Americans were black people and you are a defendant of them??? Fucking lol.

English please

 

[TheComebackKid]

He has a point on the forcing christianity to them. But lol they werent black

You guys speak from a place of total ignorance. Why do that?

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

That's like, your opinion man. In my opinion, sociel morality has been improving for decades and is higher now than anytime in human history. And that's a fact.

lol wut?

I love when the guy who looks like his attic is filled with women's shoes is bemoaning men being with women who aren't their wives.

Lmao holy shit you're a bitter dude. Must suck to be so bitter your whole life, die, then go suffer for an eternity in hell. Good luck with all that

 

[hillelslovak87]

lol wut?



Lmao holy shit you're a bitter dude. Must suck to be so bitter your whole life, die, then go suffer for an eternity in hell. Good luck with all that

Hell, lol. You sound like some fanatic Muslim.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

We never had the moral high ground, but I would say that the beginning of the W Administration onward was when we became a country that abandoned the idea that should even aspire to have a moral high ground.

 

[hillelslovak87]

We never had the moral high ground, but I would say that the beginning of the W Administration onward was when we became a country that abandoned the idea that should even aspire to have a moral high ground.

I don't think so. Don't get me wrong, the Bush admin was full of demons. But it has always been like this in America, and is the essential hypocrisy that is a cornerstone of Empire. The Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Holy Roman Empire, Spanish Empire, etc etc etc always maintain an air of the moral high ground no matter their abuses.

Rome went so far as to goad it's smaller neighbors into wars in order to fight a war of defense. They did this routinely while essentially going "We have to defend ourselves!!" after hemming off trade to a region, leading to starving and eventual raids.

 

[bushman505]

You guys speak from a place of total ignorance. Why do that?

Literally every single one of those has been falsified or altered by people like you to fit some strange agenda. You are also taking every single thing they say out of context.

Good job, they fooled you just like they wanted.

 

[Goonerview]

I posit, that the downfall of western morals, and hence a less corrupt western society, began with our foreign policy.

That when we justified employing the worst of Nazi spies, to combat communism, that we lost our moral authority.

That all the way back to WWI, and a war that killed millions, that our foreign policy in the west is undermining the very fabric of western society.

That only non-interventionism is compatible with western beliefs.

The moral Gumby-like contortion our society engages in to justify the western empire is not sustainable.

As conservatives rail against the mental disease that they call the left, the greatest assault on their beliefs, culture, and lifestyle comes from a morally corrupt doctrine of hard power, and a souless consumerism born of the very capitalist culture they so closely identify with.

Discuss..........

No it started with the feminist movement

 

[faustian]

We never had the moral high ground, but I would say that the beginning of the W Administration onward was when we became a country that abandoned the idea that should even aspire to have a moral high ground.

We've discussed the petrodollar issue before, so I'll ask: is there a moral impetus to defend your civilization (in this case Western Civilization) from attempts to sabotage it even if defending means there will be collateral losses of non-members of your civilization?

Because I believe an aggressive defense is not only practical but also moral

 

[VivaRevolution]

We've discussed the petrodollar issue before, so I'll ask: is there a moral impetus to defend your civilization (in this case Western Civilization) from attempts to sabotage it even if defending means there will be collateral losses of non-members of your civilization?

Because I believe an aggressive defense is not only practical but also moral

Whose defense?

Can you explain to me how some multi-national corporations interest in SE Asia, is an American interest?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

We've discussed the petrodollar issue before, so I'll ask: is there a moral impetus to defend your civilization (in this case Western Civilization) from attempts to sabotage it even if defending means there will be collateral losses of non-members of your civilization?

Because I believe an aggressive defense is not only practical but also moral

Who are we defending Western Civilization from? Saddam? Assad? Afghanistan? Yemeni's?
No, they are not a threat to western civilization and therefore the "collateral damage" that amounts to millions of lives is neither moral, or practical.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

Without America, the world would have been subject to Nazi, Stalinist, and Japanese rule. I'd say anyone citing WW2 as a low of American morality is full of shit.

The aftermath of WWII not WWII itself.

 

[Seano]

I would say slaughtering, enslaving, raping, and driving out the indigenous Americans and taking their lands was when we lost our moral authority.

Thats not a "we."

I wasn't involved in that. You weren't. No one breathing today was.

 

[nac386]

Thats not a "we."

I wasn't involved in that. You weren't. No one breathing today was.

The thread is about western values, and it is the westerners who's values are in question. That's the entire context of this thread. When he says "we" he's not referring to you as an individual, he's referring to westerners.

It's like saying, "When we won the Revolutionary war..." I'm sure you would not go, "Hey man, I did not fight in that war, leave me out of it."

 

[TheComebackKid]

Thats not a "we."

I wasn't involved in that. You weren't. No one breathing today was.

Well yes. When I say 'we' and 'you' I'm talking about groups not individuals.