Movies THE MARVELS (Dragonlord's Review; Worst MCU Second-Weekend Drop with 78%)

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Btw I'm not saying I think the positive reviews are fake because they're positive, I think they're the exact same thing as when everyone review bombed that Amy Schumer special just in reverse.

They're one sentence, extremely generic and they all give five stars.

 

[Morning Star]

These studios aren't looking to merely break even, or have a modest return to blockbuster films they invest hundreds of millions of dollars into. If they spend $200 million on a project and it only brings back $220 million, that's a big failure to them. Think of it like that scene in "Casino" where Deniro is talking about that Chinese gambler who always plays big, and looks at winning ten thousand dollars on a modest bet, as if he lost a hundred thousand dollars. That's how Hollywood thinks.

The general rule is 2.5 times budget to break even due to marketing not being included in the cost the studio says the movie cost to film, and the fact there's a split in revenue between the movie theaters and the studio. So a "$200M Movie" would in theory need $500M in revenue just to break even.

 

[I Am Legion]

My only thought after seeing this is that I think we all may have been too harsh on Dr. Strange 2 and Quantomania. They were both WAY stronger than this one. I rewatched Dr. Strange 2 the other night and didn't hate it. Cumberbatch is a hell of an actor, and commands the screen. His co stars are cool too.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Like It Or Not, ‘The Marvels’ Has Now Bombed In Every Way Possible

The Marvels is better than it's given credit for, but there is no disputing the numbers, and it's bombed on every single level relative to the rest of the MCU.

www.forbes.com

 

[kimocomplex]

Forgot to mention that there was about 3 or 4 people in the audience, including me.

I went on Monday approximately 6:30pm, just after the weekend it premiered

 

[Bacco]

I remember being told that brie Larson could carry a billion dollar movie

Welp.

She carried it from high peak of hollywood weirdos expectations all the way down till the bottom of that deep abyss called real world

That's Galadriel level of carry ability

 

[Hog-train]

No, that critical mass of people have to actually experience the thing they suck to have an opinion worth listening to. That's the whole point here. LESS people are watching it and MORE people are saying that Marvel sucks. That math doesn't math.
Lots of people thought the last season of Game of Thrones was horrible because a lot of people actually watched the last season of Game of Thrones.
That's not what is happening with Marvel, because every Marvel product, regardless of the story, actor, or director gets put into the same category, and is judged before it hits the movie theater.

A lot of people do still watch the movies and series. I've watched most everything so far. A lot of them are not good. The Thor sequel sucked, the entire Star Wars sequels sucked, She Hulk sucks, Indiana Jones sucked, Black Panther 2 - there's a lot of suck dude. I want them to be good, but they're simply not.

I'm most upset about how they completely ruined Star Wars.

Define "forced diversity". The starting point from where you guys go off is where the bullshit starts.
Instead of blaming bad writing on bad writing, you see there are people of different backgrounds in a movie, and blame the mediocrity on "forced diversity". You attached this reason as to why it sucks without any evidence.
The story of this movie had fuck all to do with race , gender, or sexual orientation. Monica Rambeaux was also known as Captain Marvel in the comics, she was also black in the comics (since 1982), and in the MCU, she is the daughter of Carol Danver's friend. Kamala Kahn is Pakistani in the comics and got her name from being a fan of Captain Marvel. Where is the "forced diversity" ?

Not forced diversity all the time - sometimes it's pushing the girl power agenda. It more often than not is at the expense of a good character arc and character development.

Game of Thrones had tons of dope ass female characters - but they didn't need to push a narrative. Disney does the opposite. Just makes the content generally low quality.

Most of the female characters are way too over powered - and if they're the heroine, they can do no wrong. Scarlett Witch in Dr. Strange is way too OP. Ms Marvel is way too OP.

And they generally have unlikable or unrelatable personalities.

Disney only makes 3 movies a year at most. If they really didn't care about quality, they could shit out crappier movies faster. And the fact that they are suspending their movies next year and only releasing Deadpool backs that statement up.
Bad writing is bad writing. What made the MCU compelling before is that there was a much tighter, cohesive story that was going somewhere. That doesn't exist right now. We have a bunch of different shows and movies that don't really connect or have the same vision as the past phases of the MCU. What does that have to do with diversity?
It's amazing that you guys think that badly written movies and TV shows didn't exist prior to the "woke age".

Disney makes a lot more films than 3 a year. What are you smoking. On top of that is all their streaming content.

 

[Hog-train]

My only thought after seeing this is that I think we all may have been too harsh on Dr. Strange 2 and Quantomania. They were both WAY stronger than this one. I rewatched Dr. Strange 2 the other night and didn't hate it. Cumberbatch is a hell of an actor, and commands the screen. His co stars are cool too.

I didn't hate Quantomania as poor as the reviews were. I do think the CGI was kind of meh.

Dr. Strange 2 was pretty bad IMO.

 

[Bballfan123]

I'm curious about this as well.

I keep seeing articles and videos that says the films bombed, but did they really? Maybe some of these defined bombed films are not accurate, maybe they didn't actually make a loss but less profit than the studio expected/wishes?

These are the so-called bombed films, I'm no expert on how profit margin works in film industry but quick wiki shows
Little Mermaid - Budget 297m, Box office 570m
Antman - Budget 200m, Box office 476m
Indiana Jones - Budget 300m, Box office 385m

Many of the videos/articles claims the budget doesn't include marketing and other stuffs that actually balloons the cost to 2x or even 2.5x of movie budget that is shown. But what is the source to these claims and are these claims even real? Obviously studios don't get ALL of the box office money, maybe only a certain percentage that is split between them and the theaters.

Out of the 3 examples above, I think only Indiana Jones make an out right loss. The other two probably still turned a profit, maybe just tiny.

imho, movies are only a out right bomb, if box office is BELOW movie budget displayed. Which not as many of these films are in these situation.

Again, I stress I know nothing about how the profit margin works in film industry and above is just an opinion of someone that reads these "bombing" news, which I think majority of people are.

if they get half the box office do the math again, all those movies lost money or broke even. 300M movies need to make a billion dollars basically to even break even these days. there are not that many 300M movies that were ever made, the ones that were made over a billion dollars. Pirates of the caribbean, titanic, etc. making 30% of a movie that came out a decade ago is not good. that is what the movies are up against, it's not like buying something at a store.

movies generally make tons of money and have a very high profit margin like 100%. a decent 100M movie can make 500M. anything close to 0% or 5% in that world isnt good

for example

dark knight
hobbit
skyfall
transformers

all made 1B on approx 200-300M budgets, a decade ago.

 

[Legendary Wrestling]

Disney/Marvel are on pace to bury the genre.
Too much content, too quickly.
The average movie goer has no idea who these characters are (before the release of the first Captain Marvel movie).
This isn't bringing a main stream, beloved character with decades of credibility (outside of comic book fans) to the screen.

It's risky and it's starting to backfire.
The budgets are too high, making each movie a big gamble.
There are still movies that will do well but the goodwill that was built up and carried many lesser known characters to box office success is gone.
Not too mention that so many people are really limiting their entertainment dollars since they already invest so much in streaming services, their own TV's and audio equipment and on.

 

[KnightTemplar]

The director said she wanted to make the kind of movie she never got to see as a black, teenage girl.

Unfortunately for her, no one else wanted to see it. <Lmaoo>

 

[5crew]

if they get half the box office do the math again, all those movies lost money or broke even. 300M movies need to make a billion dollars basically to even break even these days. there are not that many 300M movies that were ever made, the ones that were made over a billion dollars. Pirates of the caribbean, titanic, etc. making 30% of a movie that came out a decade ago is not good. that is what the movies are up against, it's not like buying something at a store.

movies generally make tons of money and have a very high profit margin like 100%. a decent 100M movie can make 500M. anything close to 0% or 5% in that world isnt good

for example

dark knight
hobbit
skyfall
transformers

all made 1B on approx 200-300M budgets, a decade ago.

It's like people that quoted this particular post of mine doesn't read or don't understand what I said. Maybe we just have different opinion on what "bombed" is.



There are enough argument posts between the same 2 to 3 users itt for the past week enough to derail the thread, I'm not going to add on to it.

 

[terrapin]

went and saw the marvels tonight with my family. it was really good. good story, good character development, lost of humor and they introduced the x men too. captain marvel is maybe my favorite character of the whole batch so i would love to see way more of those movies come out and the other two women were great also. the actress playing captain marvel is/was really good in this edition, strong, vulnerable and very real. it was a great marvel movie and did not seem woke in any obvious or contrived way as some feared.

 

[Cor van Vooren]

 

[Get To Da Choppa]

went and saw the marvels tonight with my family. it was really good. good story, good character development, lost of humor and they introduced the x men too. captain marvel is maybe my favorite character of the whole batch so i would love to see way more of those movies come out and the other two women were great also. the actress playing captain marvel is/was really good in this edition, strong, vulnerable and very real. it was a great marvel movie and did not seem woke in any obvious or contrived way as some feared.

 

[Jesus X]

I went to go see the raid 2 and it felt like I had rented out a theater lol I think 3 people were in the theater.

 

[SammyPops]

I pretty much cant stand anything in the MCU since end gaem, except hawkeye tv, so get this.

This was legit a good movie. The best MCU product except maybe hawkeye.

Funny, heartfelf, and some solid action.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Disney/Marvel are on pace to bury the genre.
Too much content, too quickly.
The average movie goer has no idea who these characters are (before the release of the first Captain Marvel movie).
This isn't bringing a main stream, beloved character with decades of credibility (outside of comic book fans) to the screen.

It's risky and it's starting to backfire.
The budgets are too high, making each movie a big gamble.
There are still movies that will do well but the goodwill that was built up and carried many lesser known characters to box office success is gone.
Not too mention that so many people are really limiting their entertainment dollars since they already invest so much in streaming services, their own TV's and audio equipment and on.

Letting Chris Evans, Robert Downey etc leave was such a collossal fuckup for everyone involved. Presumably those guys wanted more money than Disney wanted to pay them. Idiotic move. Should have just paid them.

They could have done 3 more Captain America movies easily and they would have made money. They spent a decade building these characters up just to throw them in the trash.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Letting Chris Evans, Robert Downey etc leave was such a collossal fuckup for everyone involved. Presumably those guys wanted more money than Disney wanted to pay them. Idiotic move. Should have just paid them.

They could have done 3 more Captain America movies easily and they would have made money. They spent a decade building these characters up just to throw them in the trash.

Yup. Hell, they could bring back Chris Evans but as Hydra Cap and do the whole Secret Empire arc. That alone could stretch over multiple shows and movies, and bring in every major Hero and Villain. They could even use it as an opportunity to introduce Doctor Doom, and start laying the ground work that eventually leads to Secret Wars.

 

[Legendary Wrestling]

Letting Chris Evans, Robert Downey etc leave was such a collossal fuckup for everyone involved. Presumably those guys wanted more money than Disney wanted to pay them. Idiotic move. Should have just paid them.

They could have done 3 more Captain America movies easily and they would have made money. They spent a decade building these characters up just to throw them in the trash.

It's a good point.
They were sort of spoiled to get a lot of these actors earlier in their career when they couldn't command big salaries.
Even RDJ was in exile from his legal troubles so he came cheap (to begin with).