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He’s not the GOAT today, but a win over O’Malley is so impressive that it takes him up that notch - is that what I’m hearing?
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He’s not the GOAT today, but a win over O’Malley is so impressive that it takes him up that notch - is that what I’m hearing?
And that first Faber lost was at FW not BW.Cruz still has 4 more top ten ranked wins than Sterling; one of Sterling's top ten wins was via DQ and another was against an injured post-prime Dillashaw.
In their primes, Sterling also had losses against worse competition (including getting knocked TF out).
Cruz getting submitted early in his career to Faber and avenging the loss (twice) isn't nearly as bad.
It's crazy that Frankie is the smallest guy up there, what lineup of champions at that time though!Back when GOAT talk wasn't a thing
Then add mizugaki, I don’t care, cruz ko’d him a fight before aljo did. And dj became flyweight champion less than a year after cruz 49-46’d him. I included Jorgensen becuase it was a title fight.LOL Sterling beat Mizugaki too, and if you're going to include him and Jorgensen as good wins, then Sterling should get credit for beating guys like Eduardo, Stamman and Johns.
And why is Jimmie Rivera not on Sterling's list? He was top 5 when Aljo beat him and had only lost to Moraes (when Moraes was a beast).
Also, the version of Demetrious that Cruz beat wasn't in his prime because he was still spending more time in a warehouse driving a forklift than training. It wasn't considered a super impressive win for Cruz when it happened, and DJ was considered the worst guy in the tournament for the Flyweight title when the division opened a few months later.
If Cruz hadn't had the injuries, then he'd be hands down the BW GOAT, but his resume ain't that deep and his third best opponent, who gave him his toughest fights, was a career 125er.
Benavidez and dj during their flyweight careers both weighed in the low 140s so if this is a weight issue for you then do you think they weighed more or less when they fought at bantamweight? And just becuase they went to flyweight doesn’t mean they weren’t successful at bantamweight, benavidez only had 2 losses in his 15 and 2 career before going to flyweight, and both of them were cruz. Dj became flyweight champion 11 months after losing to cruzBenavidez and mighty moose were 125ers, and that was early in mighty mooses career. The only impressive win was Dillashaw to me. Aljo's resume is better imo or is right there with Cruz.
What do you mean "In their primes, Sterling also had losses against worse competition (including getting knocked TF out)."...?Cruz still has 4 more top ten ranked wins than Sterling; one of Sterling's top ten wins was via DQ and another was against an injured post-prime Dillashaw.
In their primes, Sterling also had losses against worse competition (including getting knocked TF out).
Cruz getting submitted early in his career to Faber and avenging the loss (twice) isn't nearly as bad.
Lol.Dom Cruz record
Benavidez 2x
Demetrious
Faber 2x
Dillashaw
Mizugaki
Brian Bowles
Scott Jorgensen (pretty good record at the time)
Munhoz
Aljo record
Yan
Dillashaw (old and coming in with a destroyed shoulder that he specifically told the ref to let him try and work through)
Cejudo (old + 3 year layoff, not the legend people pretend he is)
Sandhagen
Munhoz
Cruz only lost to garbrandt after injuries including a torn quad, torn groin, two torn acls, a broken hand, multiple multiple year layoffs, plus tendinitis in both feet during the fight. Comes back 3 years later on short notice, suffering a broken arm and torn shoulder ligaments in the meantime, loses to cejudo, two wins then at 37 with a shot chin gets finished by vera
I will argue this for eternity
Becuase I go by title wins and very good non title winsLol.
Why didn’t you count half of Aljo’s wins? Like:
Barao
Stamann
Riviera
Mizugaki
Brett Johns
Aljo’s resume is actually quite deep
I'd argue that sterling only has one clear loss ever, and his two other losses were controversial split decisions against ranked opponents (by the ufc) when he wasn't in his prime. It is odd that you suggest sterling's prime was is 6-7 years ago (when he lost those two decisions), considering that he went on the longest win streak in the division a couple years after and got the title several years after. I guess his prime is lasting a long ass time. That is goat stuff.
Cruz lost in his second year of fighting (at FW) and became champion in his fifth year of fighting; comparatively, Sterling lost in his fifth and sixth years of fighting. I believe that primes generally last nine to ten years from the time a fighter debuts, so Sterling would've literally been in the middle of his prime.What do you mean "In their primes, Sterling also had losses against worse competition (including getting knocked TF out)."...?
Are you saying his prime was 2016 and 2017 when he was 2-3 and not after that when he went on a 9 fight win streak?
BJ??? Not sure about that one. Sure, people were lamenting that he COULD'VE been the GOAT at 155 but he is his own worst enemy when he was actively competing.Except that everyone and their mother still knew that Penn and Fedor were GOATs over their counterpart on that stage.