USA Saves baby sentenced to death by UK health care. LIVE WITH DIGNITY!

[Billy no mates]

The UK government didn't refuse the procedure, they just refused to pay for it.

The US government didn't pay for it either.

So.... I fail to see how this reflects on either system.

Away with your 'logic' this is the WR we won't tolerate that sort of thing here .

 

[Fire Belly]

$260,000 wtf?

 

[Beechwood]

Hope the child does well recovering after the operation.

As the article mentions it is very rare for cancer to develop in the heart. The reason for that is that heart cells are unique in that they are not able to ferment.

Cancer cells are cells that begin to ferment, using sugars, carbs and glutamine as fuel to grow. It is why some doctors and others, will sometimes look to avoid all sugars and go into ketosis when fighting cancer. Healthy cells are able to use ketones as fuel to perform needed functions. Cancer cells are unable to use ketones to fuel growth.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

$260,000 wtf?

Did they fly that baby both ways in a private jet, feeding it caviar and champagne?

 

[Damien Karras]

Cliffs: Doctors in UK say baby will die and they can't save him. Say to let him die with dignity. Originally the NHS does not want him to go to superior doctors in america. But under pressure from 2 recent toddler death sentences the parents are allowed to go to USA for sureery. They raise money from the kindness of strangers, get operation, baby is cured.
MOST IMPORTANT: A young life is saved by american medicine so this person can live their life.

Super cliffs: American, fuck yeah, baby!!!

SAVED FROM SOCIALISM: U.S. Saves Baby Oliver After U.K. Doctors Said His Heart Couldn’t Be Fixed
After baby Oliver Cameron was denied necessary medical treatment and funding by the United Kingdom's National Health Service (NHS), doctors in the United States were able to save his life.

Baby Oliver was born with a rare heart condition known as cardiac fibroma. The socialized healthcare system in the U.K. was not equipped to perform the necessary surgery to remove the non-cancerous tumor in his heart. Oliver would have to be put on a list to receive a heart transplant, and even then, he would only be expected to live to the age of 15, at the longest.
But due to the innovation and ingenuity of the United States, the necessary surgery was not only available, but had a 100% success rate at the Boston Children's Hospital.
The NHS, however, initially refused to pay for the roughly $260,000 parents Lydia and Tim Cameron needed to fund the trip and procedure required to save their baby.

"No parent should have to bury their child," Lydia said at the time, according to The Mirror. "For the NHS to say, 'we’re sorry, we can’t help.' is devastating."

"We asked if the NHS could fly the surgeon over here, but he’s not licensed to operate in the UK," she explained. "We asked if an English surgeon could learn the procedure, but they said no. So we must raise the money ourselves."

"Our NHS consultant has said if Boston agreed to treat Oliver then we had to get him there."

The couple did not have the funds to save Oliver, so they resorted to crowdfunding, opening a GoFundMe page and asking the public to donate.

After funding nearly $170,000 on their own and garnering international attention, the NHS's hand was forced. The government finally announced that they would allow and fund the necessary surgery at Boston Children's Hospital.

Professor Dominic Wilkinson at the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics said that the pressure was on the NHS to comply due to the recent case of U.K.-based baby Charlie Guard, who was denied medical treatment by the NHS despite other nations offering treatment. "I think the intense attention from the Charlie Gard case is likely to make those decision makers more conscious that they are under greater scrutiny and therefore that they have to be particularly careful in making a fair decision," he told The Telegraph.

Thankfully, Boston Children's Hospital was able to perform a successful surgery on 10-month-old baby Oliver in November of 2017. "When they told us Dr. del Nido had removed all of it, we were so happy we just burst into tears," said mother Lydia, according to the hospital's site.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/3321...ves-baby-oliver-after-uk-amanda-prestigiacomo

And how many people died because they couldn't afford health care in the U.S hmmmmmmm?

Superior my ass

 

[Damien Karras]

Well, this certainly makes up for the thousands of babies that die every year in the US because of substandard healthcare, but that would have lived if they were born in the UK.

Is there anything deadlier than conservatives' obsession with anecdote and complete disregard for data?

Lol OP is owwwwwned

 

[ocean size]

As the article mentions it is very rare for cancer to develop in the heart.

This is true

The reason for that is that heart cells are unique in that they are not able to ferment.

Cancer cells are cells that begin to ferment, using sugars, carbs and glutamine as fuel to grow. It is why some doctors and others, will sometimes look to avoid all sugars and go into ketosis when fighting cancer. Healthy cells are able to use ketones as fuel to perform needed functions. Cancer cells are unable to use ketones to fuel growth.

This is almost all wrong.

While cardiac myocytes primarily use fatty acids, 30% of the atp they generate is from sugars and a little from ketones and amino acids

The reason cancer is rare in heart cells is because they are terminally differentiated, they aren't replicating in the cell cycle - less reproduction less chance for mutations to propagate

It is true cancers often use aerobic glycolysis which involves lactic acid fermentation, but ketones have been shown to not only fuel some tumors but increase growth and metastasis

 

[JJSBUR]

And how many people died because they couldn't afford health care in the U.S hmmmmmmm?

Superior my ass

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I don't know, how many then? You do have the answer I am guessing?

 

[Renard]

The thing that's funny is that you're criticizing universal health care because it only works in 99% of cases, but not this 1%. Yet do you realize what would have happened if this couple had been American? They would have had to cough up the fucking 260,000$ too, and people would have spit in their face if they complained about it. So it's OK for the US system to fail spectacularly, but if universal health care fails in some rare cases, then whoa it means they gotta scrap the whole thing. You have literally 0 expectations for US health care.

 

[Beechwood]

This is true

This is almost all wrong.

While cardiac myocytes primarily use fatty acids, 30% of the atp they generate is from sugars and a little from ketones and amino acids

The reason cancer is rare in heart cells is because they are terminally differentiated, they aren't replicating in the cell cycle - less reproduction less chance for mutations to propagate

It is true cancers often use aerobic glycolysis which involves lactic acid fermentation, but ketones have been shown to not only fuel some tumors but increase growth and metastasis

I quickly read the mouse study on that. Naturally there are rebuttals on that with some researchers disagreeing.

It isn't something I follow all that much over the years, but the other week I watched a new interview of Professor Thomas Seyfried. He is researching and apparently now working with some cancer clinics in the use of using the keto diet, fasting and a other means to address cancer. Hopefully he will have some new research papers published on this work. I hope the findings are true and helpful. The interview can be viewed here: