International Wagner Claims to Have Shot Down Russian Helicopter, Putin Briefed, Operation Fortress in Play

[SakurabasEar]

LMAO, I like the "nobody is the wiser", like nobody knows what was happening the whole time <45>

Even Sherdog was aware of developments, and we're just a disparate bunch of international fight fans lmao

I couldn't really tell if Putin's acting was believable, because I'm obviously not Russian. But it appears he sold it to his own people at least some what

 

[PBAC]

Putin doesn't know how to play chess btw

 

[PBAC]

I couldn't really tell if Putin's acting was believable, because I'm obviously not Russian. But it appears he sold it to his own people at least some what

believable in what though. That he was lying or just reacting to what happened? I'm pretty sure there are easier ways to move an army into an allied state without staging a coup that your own army and people displayed active support for. They staged a coup to put there army further from the location they got routed out of at the start of the war? And now they have less troops and broken military command?

 

[SakurabasEar]

believable in what though. That he was lying or just reacting to what happened? I'm pretty sure there are easier ways to move an army into an allied state without staging a coup that your own army and people displayed active support for. They staged a coup to put there army further from the location they got routed out of at the start of the war? And now they have less troops and broken military command?

I was talking about his speaking on stage, reacting to the Wagner "betrayal". I don't try to follow these troop movements or rumors about morale. I wouldn't be able to believe any of it

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Guess if you try hard you can claim there is'nt a clear good side, but sure as fuck there's a bad one here

What Russia is doing is obviously wrong, but I have a hard time saying the guys with the Swastika flags are the good guys.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

WW2, idiot.

The Soviets were good guys?

Bombing of Dresden?

Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Japanese internment?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Russia’s ‘internal affair’: China plays down Wagner mutiny impact

Beijing stresses ‘national stability’ as state media reports the collapse of the Wagner revolt strengthened rather than weakened Putin.

China has expressed its support for Russia in the wake of the weekend’s aborted Wagner mutiny, as state media projected a narrative of stability and minimal impact on Beijing’s ally.

China’s foreign ministry described the incident as “Russia’s internal affairs” in a brief statement on Sunday after Wagner Group head Yevgeny Prigozhin led his soldiers to within 200 kilometres (124 miles) of Moscow before suddenly agreeing to withdraw as part of a deal brokered by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.

Under the terms of the agreement, Prigozhin and the troops who backed the rebellion would not be prosecuted, and Prigozhin would go into exile in Belarus.

“As Russia’s friendly neighbour and comprehensive strategic partner of coordination for the new era, China supports Russia in maintaining national stability and achieving development and prosperity,” Beijing said in the statement.

Chinese media, meanwhile, reported on the story later than Western media and indexed it lower, while articles also stressed how quickly the Kremlin was able to defuse the situation and return to normal, said Wen-ti Sung, a political scientist who teaches at ANU’s Taiwan studies programme and works on US-Taiwan-China relations.

“In terms of propaganda, China’s state media focuses on presenting a positive image of Putin, repairing the supreme leader’s image of unassailability and control, as well as highlighting continued stability of Russian society,” he told Al Jazeera.

In a lengthy article on Sunday, the official Xinhua news agency noted that “Xinhua reporters found that the incident did not cause a major disorder in Russian society and people’s life in Moscow and beyond was barely affected” despite some restrictions on movement.

The tabloid Global Times, citing several Chinese experts, stressed that “despite the Western media saying the revolt exposed the weakness of the Putin administration … the Kremlin maintains a strong capability of deterrence, which will further increase its authority.”

The article included experts like Cui Heng, an assistant research fellow from the Center for Russian Studies of East China Normal University, who made remarks like “quelling the revolt in such a short period of time actually consolidated the authority of the Putin administration, which has little impact on the front-line battlefield between Russia and Ukraine.”

While China has officially remained neutral in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has provided vital economic support to Russia in the face of Western sanctions, and continues to refer to Moscow as a close “strategic ally”.

Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian leader Vladimir Putin also maintain close personal ties, and are likely to continue doing so for the foreseeable future, ANU’s Sung said.

“Xi still prefers Putin to the alternatives, but Beijing now has reasons to have more reservations and become more transactional in dealings with Putin,” he said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...-affair-china-plays-down-wagner-mutiny-impact

 

[nixkid]

I wonder how eager new conscripts will be to fight, knowing that Putin gives out pardons to those who turn against their own side

That's what the barrier troops are for.

 

[KnightTemplar]

The Soviets were good guys?

Bombing of Dresden?

Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Japanese internment?

Auschwitz?

Buchenwald?

Dachau?

The Dirlwinger Brigade?

Mengele?

The Blitz?

Unit 731?

The Rape of Nanking?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Prigozhin said in one of his telegram messages that the Russian state, or the army reports, lied for the last 8 years about Ukraine permanently attacking East-Ukraine. I mean everybody with a little brain should know that Putin would not have let them launch rockets for 8 years straight on the russian minortiy in east ukraine.... So, I agree with you, there maybe is not a clear good side but there is a bad one for sure!

East Ukraine? Is that like East Berlin?

 

[Patrick Jane]

twitter has Putin back as a genius.

Apart from the whole "4D chess" meme, is it known why this approach hasn't been tried in the first place? I mean a simultaneous rear attack from white russia would be basically the same principle as the Schlieffen Plan in WW1, minus the Rape of Belgium. Was Lukashenko not down with it or is there a strategic reason?

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Looks like the war mongers in the west are gonna get what they want.

 

[scoopj]

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

What Russia is doing is obviously wrong, but I have a hard time saying the guys with the Swastika flags are the good guys.

The Soviets were good guys?

Bombing of Dresden?

Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Japanese internment?

I think when people talk about good/bad sides in a war they mean relative to one another. If sainthood is the measure then no country has ever been good and there’s no discussion needed.

Japanese internment was definitely bad. Relative to the Holocaust though it is mild.

Generally the worst sin you can commit is to invade and occupy another country. Which is why despite all of the evil Saddam Hussein did within his own country most people look back at the US as the bad guys in the second war in Iraq. No matter how many Nazis are in Ukraine is that a valid justification for Russia to invade?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Looks like the war mongers in the west are gonna get what they want.

Are they the ones that invade Ukraine?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

I think when people talk about good/bad sides in a war they mean relative to one another. If sainthood is the measure then no country has ever been good and there’s no discussion needed.

Japanese internment was definitely bad. Relative to the Holocaust though it is mild.

Generally the worst sin you can commit is to invade and occupy another country. Which is why despite all of the evil Saddam Hussein did within his own country most people look back at the US as the bad guys in the second war in Iraq. No matter how many Nazis are in Ukraine is that a valid justification for Russia to invade?

Well the soviets were on our side and they killed more of their own people than the nazis did.

I mean i literally listed four things and you picked the least bad one to compare the holocaust to. That's textbook bad faith argument texhnique.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Well the soviets were on our side and they killed more of their own people than the nazis did.

Auschwitz?

Buchenwald?

Dachau?

The Dirlwinger Brigade?

Mengele?

The Blitz?

Unit 731?

The Rape of Nanking?

So 'good' just means 'not as bad as the other guys.'

So like I said. There are no good guys.

What part of what I said is confusing to you?

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Are they the ones that invade Ukraine?

They are the ones who wanted to put NATO missiles and troops on the Russian border via Ukraine.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Well the soviets were on our side and they killed more of their own people than the nazis did.

I mean i literally listed four things and you picked the least bad one to compare the holocaust to. That's textbook bad faith argument texhnique.

Well I don’t think anything was as bad as the Holocaust. I chose to compare the two methods of internment. Not trying to argue in bad faith. If you think the Allies were worse overall than the Axis I disagree but it’s off topic here.

My main point was in the first paragraph.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Well the soviets were on our side and they killed more of their own people than the nazis did.

I mean i literally listed four things and you picked the least bad one to compare the holocaust to. That's textbook bad faith argument texhnique.

Even you admit it. Russia gonna Russia...