What do dems think of Obama now?

Seano said:
He wasn't BAD but he had the lowest workforce participation rate in decades and the majority of the jobs created were part time retail type jobs.
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Yeah, all these full-time, full benefit 40K a year entry level jobs Trump is creating are pretty fuckin sweet.
 
Seano said:
Obama wasn't really a great economy president. He wasn't BAD but he had the lowest workforce participation rate in decades and the majority of the jobs created were part time retail type jobs.
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It's crazy how people just confidently make these obviously false assertions with no basis at all.

ultramanhyata said:
It's ironic but, in a way, what a lot of progressives actually fell for was the anti-Obama right wing propaganda.

I think many on the left heard what Obama was saying during the campaign and thought, "Wow... This guy is just another establishment centrist. Too bad."

But then they exposed themselves to all the sky-is-falling rhetoric coming out of the right-wing media echo chamber and decided, "Hmmm... These guys seem really up in arms. Maybe they're on to something. Everything Obama is saying now is just establishment cover. If he wins he's going to govern as a radically anti-corporate socialist. Whoopee! Go O!"

That's what happened to me at least. :(
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Yeah, Obama was definitely running more as an FDR type, and was very clear about it. Never got why leftists were thinking he was running as some kind of far-left guy.
 
ScottE said:
Perhaps the preceeding economic melt down he was handed was a limiting factor. Specifically when combined with the Congress he had for most of his Presidency following the deepest economic troubles.
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eh, what happens on the presidents watch is part of his legacy. He had 2 terms.
 
Seano said:
eh, you know this because you and I have discussed it before. You're just pretending to not know this hoping I wouldn't follow up.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...-labor-force-number-grew-18-obama-took-office

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016...ts-94-all-new-jobs-under-obama-were-part-time
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No, your statement is simply false.

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Check any source you want on the subject.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Yeah, Obama was definitely running more as an FDR type, and was very clear about it. Never got why leftists were thinking he was running as some kind of far-left guy.
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"FDR type". lol

That's what Bernie was. Chomsky said it well... Bernie isn't really even a socialist. He is best described as a New Deal democrat.

And compared to Sanders' platform Obama was running as a Reaganite. Just stop.
 
ultramanhyata said:
"FDR type". lol

That's what Bernie was. Chomsky said it well... Bernie isn't really even a socialist. He is best described as a New Deal democrat.

And compared to Sanders' platform Obama was running as a Reaganite. Just stop.
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After Obama's success, there was a push to move further left, sure. But Obama's campaign was similar to FDR's.
 
Jack V Savage said:
After Obama's success, there was a push to move further left, sure. But Obama's campaign was similar to FDR's.
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http://listenliberal.com/

Drawing on years of research and first-hand reporting, Frank points out that the Democrats have done little to advance traditional liberal goals: expanding opportunity, fighting for social justice, and ensuring that workers get a fair deal. Indeed, they have scarcely dented the free-market consensus at all.

This is not for lack of opportunity: Democrats have occupied the White House for sixteen of the last twenty-four years, and yet the decline of the middle class has only accelerated. Wall Street gets its bailouts, wages keep falling, and the free-trade deals keep coming.

With his trademark sardonic wit and lacerating logic, Frank lays bare the essence of the Democratic Party's philosophy and how it has changed over the years.

A form of corporate and cultural elitism has largely eclipsed the party's old working-class commitment, he finds. For certain favored groups, this has meant prosperity. But for the nation as a whole, it is a one-way ticket into the abyss of inequality. In this critical election year, Frank recalls the Democrats to their historic goals-the only way to reverse the ever-deepening rift between the rich and the poor in America.

JVS already knows this but feels compelled to gaslight. I recommend this book therefore to anyone reading this thread who has a legitimate desire to understand the history of the democratic party in America post-FDR.

 
ultramanhyata said:
JVS already knows this but feels compelled to gaslight. I recommend this book therefore to anyone reading this thread who has a legitimate desire to understand the history of the democratic party in America post-FDR.
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I certainly know that Frank is a nutter, who politically advocates for the exact opposite of what he philosophically claims to want.

But I think you're missing the point. Putting aside policy, Bernie ran as a far-left guy. FDR and Obama ran as liberals, certainly, but as Americans generally. Each saw that if the right got what they wanted, it would be a disaster for them as much as for everyone else. That we needed more labor-focused policy and a stronger safety net, but that our market-based system is key to our success.
 
I can definitely see that dems miss Obummer but also they know deep down the reality of how terrible and weak of a President he was.

He is one of the biggest 2 faced scoundrels you'll ever meet.
 
Jack V Savage said:
No, your statement is simply false.

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Check any source you want on the subject.
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I posted a source. I'll go with mine.

But here's another anyway.

https://www.investing.com/news/econ...ing-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057

and another-
https://www.rt.com/usa/371329-obama-freelance-contractors-job-growth/

Part time jobs. Seasonal too, which to be fair, I left out.

Then this-
For nearly every month over the past three years, the unemployment rate has been below 6% and the workforce participation rate has ranged between 62.5% to 63%. That’s significantly lower than the 66% rate before the Great Recession. Workforce participation hasn’t been as low as it’s been lately since the Jimmy Carter-era economic malaise of the 1970s. How many people have given up on seeking jobs? In 2014, FiveThirtyEight estimated that 8 million working-age Americans were not employed but also not counted in the unemployment rate because they’d stopped looking for jobs.
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To conclude, I'd say my assessment that he "wasn't bad" is more accurate than those saying he was great. He did OK.
 
Whenever people post videos of Obama that they believe are damning, it just kinda reminds everyone how much higher the standards used to be for presidents.

He stuttered once and then used a slang word for "fooled", he said he'd have more flexibility after an election on a hot mic, he was respectful to diplomats...these are the videos chosen by his opposition to show the worst public moments of his 8 year presidency? I kinda miss those standards, we should have stuck with that.

Oh i forgot the worst of the worst, a video that shows he's not a powerful weightlifter, just a healthy 50-something year old staying in shape. In a country where like 1/3 of adults are obese, even higher in some areas.

Hell, people still clown Bush for fumbling on his words a few times. He honestly sounds brilliant in hindsight, now that we've seen how badly someone else in that job can communicate.
 
Seano said:
I posted a source. I'll go with mine.

But here's another anyway.

https://www.investing.com/news/econ...ing-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057

and another-
https://www.rt.com/usa/371329-obama-freelance-contractors-job-growth/
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https://www.rt.com/usa/371329-obama-freelance-contractors-job-growth/

RT? The first link is to the same source as your original one, which is about "non-traditional" job growth from 2005 to 2015. If you actually look up the discussion--part-time vs. full-time work, you'll see that part-time jobs have been flat or falling, while virtually all job growth has been full-time labor.
 
nac386 said:
Whenever people post videos of Obama that they believe are damning, it just kinda reminds everyone how much higher the standards used to be for presidents.

He stuttered once and then used a slang word for "fooled", he said he'd have more flexibility after an election on a hot mic, he was respectful to diplomats...these are the videos chosen by his opposition to show the worst public moments of his 8 year presidency? I kinda miss those standards, we should have stuck with that.

Oh i forgot the worst of the worst, a video that shows he's not a powerful weightlifter, just a healthy 50-something year old staying in shape. In a country where like 1/3 of adults are obese, even higher in some areas.

Hell, people still clown Bush for fumbling on his words a few times. He honestly sounds brilliant in hindsight, now that we've seen how badly someone else in that job can communicate.
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I have little doubt that the standards will return (and probably then some) once a Democrat is in office.

Republican posters will be calling for impeachment for acts that, for Trump, would be commended as surprising flashes of competence.

The capacity for shame is gone.
 
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