What is your honest opinion on Mark Rippetoe?

[maximus__]

Yes and starting strength appropriately applied is 100% of the time going to produce faster results than 5/3/1, 3x8 or insert any other program you want for every single individual training. But here come the regulars to whine about how it hurts long term progress or that it isn't necessary or that even having a program is necessary at all.

Haha it’s no better than any other linear progression program mate. Reps vs weights vs each session vs weekly, it’s all just linear progression at that stage and any solid basic program will work well enough.

 

[Oblivian]

Haha it’s no better than any other linear progression program mate. Reps vs weights vs each session vs weekly, it’s all just linear progression at that stage and any solid basic program will work well enough.

That's my entire point. You can linear progress or have measurable progress in multiple ways. You literally have people like poker that think 5's + 5 lbs a week is some magical potion. Increase reps, sets, or lbs each week and you will be fine. Sometimes it's better to drop weight and go with higher reps depending on the day.

These same types of conversations come up with any type of hobby. Most of the time, anyone that says do X is how you need to do it, they are and were never good at the activity to begin with.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

That's my entire point. You can linear progress or have measurable progress in multiple ways. You literally have people like poker that think 5's + 5 lbs a week is some magical potion. Increase reps, sets, or lbs each week and you will be fine. Sometimes it's better to drop weight and go with higher reps depending on the day.

These same types of conversations come up with any type of hobby. Most of the time, anyone that says do X is how you need to do it, they are and were never good at the activity to begin with.

Poker didnt say you need to do it. Poker said it is faster and more efficient than every other program for a novice out there. I think you are just trying to cope to be different than rippetoe. I called it though, you would whine.

 

[Oblivian]

Poker didnt say you need to do it. Poker said it is faster and more efficient than every other program for a novice out there. I think you are just trying to cope to be different than rippetoe. I called it though, you would whine.

I'm sure all of the far more accomplished and experienced lifters who advise different lifting strategies for novices should listen to the guy delivering mail and posting shirtless selfies on facebook.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I'm sure all of the far more accomplished and experienced lifters who advise different lifting strategies for novices should listen to the guy delivering mail and posting shirtless selfies on facebook.

Personal insults are also a cope.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I'm sure all of the far more accomplished and experienced lifters who advise different lifting strategies for novices should listen to the guy delivering mail and posting shirtless selfies on facebook.

Oblivian are you afraid to post a shirtless selfie?

 

[JimRussel]

Personal insults are also a cope.

Your life and entire fucking existence are a cope lol.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Your life and entire fucking existence are a cope lol.

Nobody asked you.

 

[spdrew2143]

Oblivian are you afraid to post a shirtless selfie?

Honestly, I would be a bit embarrassed to be a middle aged man posting a shirtless selfie with "100% savage" as the heading. Those type of guys are usually the ones drinking bud light and think wearing ed hardy shirts is badass.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Honestly, I would be a bit embarrassed to be a middle aged man posting a shirtless selfie with "100% savage" as the heading. Those type of guys are usually the ones drinking bud light and think wearing ed hardy shirts is badass.

I haven't posted a shirtless selfie in years it is interesting how you stereotype folks though. I don't even drink. grow up people

 

[JamM]

I haven't posted a shirtless selfie in years it is interesting how you stereotype folks though. I don't even drink. grow up people

It's a good thing not to drink. I don't drink either. I feel great

 

[Trabaho]

Honestly, I would be a bit embarrassed to be a middle aged man posting a shirtless selfie with "100% savage" as the heading. Those type of guys are usually the ones drinking bud light and think wearing ed hardy shirts is badass.

You follow him on fb ? Let me see his pic. So I can judge the pointiness of his elbows

 

[Trabaho]

Your life and entire fucking existence are a cope lol.

You sound so positive

 

[Trabaho]

I think anyone saying this is how it works, and making statements about what most people can achieve should post how many hours they coach and how many novices they've trained.

If it's not hundreds of people from a variety of backgrounds how can you what the average person can do? How can you know the different problems people have? How be so certain that this training will result in this result for the vast majority? (no good coach would ever make a statement like that)

What often happens is people see some good results from a certain program and assume that everyone that doesn't get the results is doing the program incorrectly.

Not everyone's opinion means much.

I feel like we all should post shirtless pics with a sherdog sign . Then we can judge who is fat and who is fit. As seen in the initial pages I totally look like Alistair Overeem. It's ok if you don't got epic genes, but I wanna judge if you are totaling 1000 (7 years ago) cause you look like 250 5'7 or if you actually are decent and agile. Obviously it would be overkill to post my chiseled physique again. I will try to eat more machmelows to achieve a more natural look.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You follow him on fb ? Let me see his pic. So I can judge the pointiness of his elbows

I think ive posted a selfie on this forum before and Jim was dissapointed that I didnt do more curls.

 

[maximus__]

That's my entire point. You can linear progress or have measurable progress in multiple ways. You literally have people like poker that think 5's + 5 lbs a week is some magical potion. Increase reps, sets, or lbs each week and you will be fine. Sometimes it's better to drop weight and go with higher reps depending on the day.

These same types of conversations come up with any type of hobby. Most of the time, anyone that says do X is how you need to do it, they are and were never good at the activity to begin with.

We definitely agree there. I just don't think you really need any specialised training plans during that stage.
My theory is go with whichever cookie cutter linear progression system falls within your goals and makes sense THEN look at more specialised training.

I am definitely not tied to 5s being magical.

 

[Oblivian]

We definitely agree there. I just don't think you really need any specialised training plans during that stage.
My theory is go with whichever cookie cutter linear progression system falls within your goals and makes sense THEN look at more specialised training.

I am definitely not tied to 5s being magical.

It just depends on the person. I'm mainly working with kids. I like higher reps on bench and lower reps on deadlifts. They tend to want to squirm a bunch on the bench at heavier weight. On deadlift, I've noticed form breakdown on higher rep sets. Squats is one that I'd typically prefer 5 or above at first too. It's not just the rep range though - # of sets, intensity, etc. People are acting as though it's really complicated when it's not at all. Yesterday my son was going to be doing 5 sets of 3 at a weight that I knew would be hard. After the first set, it was apparent he wasn't going to get all 5. Instead, we dropped weight back to what he started 5 sets of 3 at and he did 5 sets of 4. We'll probably run that through linear. Then when we get to the same weight where he wasn't going to get 5 sets of 3, I may drop it down to 3 sets of 3. These audibles are really easy to pull and literally have a PR (weight or volume) every single session.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I'm sure all of the far more accomplished and experienced lifters who advise different lifting strategies for novices should listen to the guy delivering mail and posting shirtless selfies on facebook.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

It just depends on the person. I'm mainly working with kids. I like higher reps on bench and lower reps on deadlifts. They tend to want to squirm a bunch on the bench at heavier weight. On deadlift, I've noticed form breakdown on higher rep sets. Squats is one that I'd typically prefer 5 or above at first too. It's not just the rep range though - # of sets, intensity, etc. People are acting as though it's really complicated when it's not at all. Yesterday my son was going to be doing 5 sets of 3 at a weight that I knew would be hard. After the first set, it was apparent he wasn't going to get all 5. Instead, we dropped weight back to what he started 5 sets of 3 at and he did 5 sets of 4. We'll probably run that through linear. Then when we get to the same weight where he wasn't going to get 5 sets of 3, I may drop it down to 3 sets of 3. These audibles are really easy to pull and literally have a PR (weight or volume) every single session.

You are correct it's not complicated in the slightest. You guys are absolute professionals!

 

[maximus__]

It just depends on the person. I'm mainly working with kids. I like higher reps on bench and lower reps on deadlifts. They tend to want to squirm a bunch on the bench at heavier weight. On deadlift, I've noticed form breakdown on higher rep sets. Squats is one that I'd typically prefer 5 or above at first too. It's not just the rep range though - # of sets, intensity, etc. People are acting as though it's really complicated when it's not at all. Yesterday my son was going to be doing 5 sets of 3 at a weight that I knew would be hard. After the first set, it was apparent he wasn't going to get all 5. Instead, we dropped weight back to what he started 5 sets of 3 at and he did 5 sets of 4. We'll probably run that through linear. Then when we get to the same weight where he wasn't going to get 5 sets of 3, I may drop it down to 3 sets of 3. These audibles are really easy to pull and literally have a PR (weight or volume) every single session.

Yeah 100% agree. Basically what you said there is what I have told people when they had trouble hittings reps on whatever linear program they chose of the few I recommend.

I definitely agree on higher reps for bench and lower for deadlifts. Even in my own training I only do a single work set most times for barbell deadlifts. I never liked 5s for deadlifts, I always add or subtract a rep just for simplicity when I do them mixed grip.