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Aaaaaannnndd another thread goes completely off the rails.
why was this thread revived after being dead for 3 years?
Neither of them are realistic in the slightest anymore. They have been bastardized and turned "family friendly" for generations so nowadays they are pretty much useless unless you are a young kid, in which case they are kinda cool for getting kids used to certain movements and the idea of competing. If you are an adult all they will do is get you (maybe) better at doing rigid forms and acting like you could beat someone up but not really being able to.
Neither of them are realistic in the slightest anymore. They have been bastardized and turned "family friendly" for generations so nowadays they are pretty much useless unless you are a young kid, in which case they are kinda cool for getting kids used to certain movements and the idea of competing. If you are an adult all they will do is get you (maybe) better at doing rigid forms and acting like you could beat someone up but not really being able to.
I like shotokan more, specially for self defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=292RJFjGCKA
The problem is if you have to face a guy like this! hehehe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlN-ruKbK5w
How about the tougher traditional karate training such as Gōjū-ryū? There you have the speed of the point fighting and the conditioning of Kyokushin.
Isn't it a better candidate opposite Kyokushin than Shotokan?
to say that kyokushin doesn't have speed in terms of footwork or actual striking speed is just untrue.
some examples come to mind when footwork and speed is mentioned in kyokushin:
Tayksi said:some examples come to mind when footwork and speed is mentioned in kyokushin:.....
Jukai said:But it IS kind of upsetting that the best examples of Shotokan toughness or Kyokushin footwork is all from the 80s and 90s...
But it IS kind of upsetting that the best examples of Shotokan toughness or Kyokushin footwork is all from the 80s and 90s...
I think this is because back then both respective sport formats were less specialised than they are now, so you saw fighters that were much more rounded & imho better with the fundamentals/technique (at least from the KK viewpoint) and to some degree with point fighting too.
KK became more specialised as guys started fighting more in tune to knock-down rules to the point where the technical focus of the guys from the 80's & 90's was abandoned for a more standardized approach that gave greater benefits in knockdown competition (i.e. tougher, more physical & more of a focus with spamming) - the result is guys that have less technical/fundamental pedigrees than their 80's-90's predecessors.
But it IS kind of upsetting that the best examples of Shotokan toughness or Kyokushin footwork is all from the 80s and 90s...
What are the rule differences? I'm largely ignorant on the subject so what was it that changed to cause less well rounded footwork etc. ?