Why didn't early MMA wrestlers like Tank Abbott utilize G&P as effectively as Mark Coleman?

[shockwave kicker]

I've always wondered why early MMA wrestlers like Tank Abbott were at a such a disadvantage on the ground against jiujitsu despite cross training BJJ.. Wheras later ones made a living out of it.

Why couldn't the early wrestlers learn the pitfalls and use their G&P to the same extent at later fighters like Coleman?

Was that phase of MMA simply not developed enough? Or were they too lazy?

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

What? He killed a guy with GNP

 

[marvinparsons]

They got subbed by BJJ guys because they didn't know that kind of grappling.

 

[shockwave kicker]

What? He killed a guy with GNP

He was A) not a jiujitsu guy
B) already out cold before he hit the ground.

There are guys Tank could have done very well against if he utilized effective G&P

 

[shockwave kicker]

They got subbed by BJJ guys because they didn't know that kind of grappling.

Well they did know about it by the time of UFC 6.....

 

[JohnMandick]

Did you even watch Tank vs Ferrozzo in that guy's backyard?!!!!

BRUTAL GROUND AND POUND!!!!

 

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Did you even watch Tank vs Ferrozzo in that guy's backyard?!!!!

BRUTAL GROUND AND POUND!!!!

Do you think Tank was a good defender against subs on the ground?

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

coleman had way better wrestling

 

[shockwave kicker]

coleman had way better wrestling

Tank was on one of the most competitive wrestling teams in the nation. But either way, that's not what decides how well you defend against BJJ.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Tank was on one of the most competitive wrestling teams in the nation. But either way, that's not what decides how well you defend against BJJ.

which team was that?

 

[13Seconds]

Did TS just call Tank Abbott a BJJ guy?

Anyways, GnP is an art in itself. Takes a tremendous amount of work to succesfully be good at GnP.

 

[Jose Beehive]

IMO he was simply not that good, Coleman was very good.

 

[shockwave kicker]

which team was that?

I can't find it now.

This is what I can dig up ."He continued wrestling in college, where he was a NJCAA All-American."

 

[shockwave kicker]

IMO he was simply not that good, Coleman was very good.

Sorry for the dumb question but how can you not be good at G&P if you have very solid wrestling skills? What did he lack?

 

[shockwave kicker]

IMO he was simply not that good, Coleman was very good.

Is Fedor the greatest G&Pounder ever?

 

[Jose Beehive]

Sorry for the dumb question but how can you not be good at G&P if you have very solid wrestling skills? What did he lack?

He lacked ability to beat anyone of note.. Unlike Coleman.

 

[shockwave kicker]

He lacked ability to beat anyone of note.

This was highly competitive and he should have won if he knew what he was doing on the ground

 

[Jose Beehive]

Is Fedor the greatest G&Pounder ever?

It's not something i've ever thought about, Coleman seems like the obvious choice off the top of my head.

 

[shockwave kicker]

It's not something i've ever thought about, Coleman seems like the obvious choice off the top of my head.

I would have said Fedor or Khabib nr 1. Probably Khabib.,

 

[shunyata]

Tank was in love with his hands and didn't wrestle that much. Coleman and Kerr had better mma wrestling by far for the early days.

Later on people acted like Tito was a genius for baiting wrist control to drop an elbow in someone's face.