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Is it because of the threat of the takedown?
Seems like most prefer looking for underhooks.
Seems like most prefer looking for underhooks.
Hey joe rogan. The thai clinch dont look like that "thai plum"
I call that the chute boxe clinch.
Well excuuuse me but the "went wrong" examples come from this website:Hey joe rogan. The thai clinch dont look like that "thai plum"
I call that the chute boxe clinch.
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Sean is the founder and creator of Muay Thai Guy & Nak Muay Nation. With over 25 fights, multiple trips to Thailand and a couple amateur titles, Sean wants to share everything he's learned from his fights and his travels to Thailand.
Perhaps in MMA it would be best to do it Kyokushin Karate style - clinch, knee and release immediately after. @shinkyoku, @AshiharaFan - you got any examples of that?
Yup. Here's an extensive take on the MT vs MMA differences - great read IMHO:I dont really get why people are surprised.
MMA is not MT.
Some things simply do not work as well under other rule systems, where there are other options to counter it. Clinch range is grappling range.
Yup. Here's an extensive take on the MT vs MMA differences - great read IMHO:
http://muaythaipros.com/muay-thai-for-mma-introduction/
http://muaythaipros.com/muay-thai-for-mma-differences/
I agree...none of those gifs were particularly clean technique by Thai standards. Large gaps between the clincher's forearms/elbows and the opponent. Rich had space to swim himself inside but didn't know how and resorted to the dreaded double forearm block.
Threat of a takedown prob does change things up though. Going cup to cup in MMA is probably riskier than in pure MT. Body lock is also prob more of a threat in MMA.
Also, the overall level of MT clinch in MMA is fairly low (relatively speaking).
In short - someone who's a good dirty boxer can clip you with multiple hooks and uppercuts while you try to secure a "classic" Thai plum. Both your hands are "locked" busy holding the opponent's neck so your face is left defenseless. If your opponent can establish a crossface (gif 1) or a collar grab (gifs 2,3) then you better release the plum or risk getting KTFO.
Perhaps in MMA it would be best to do it Kyokushin Karate style - clinch, knee and release immediately after. @shinkyoku, @AshiharaFan - you got any examples of that?
Because other than Joanna, Karolina and Matt Brown there aren't really any 'real' muay thai fighters in the UFC.
It's 2018, most fighters can now defend a double collar tie clinch so the classic Chute Boxe plum rarely works these days. There's just too many vulnerabilities & ways to counter it, it's not 2005 where everyone panics and tries to pull straight back out of the clinch while eating knees to the face & body. You can grab a bodylock for a takedown, swim the arms inside and counter-clinch, punch out of the clinch if the other guy doesn't have posture control, crossface out of the clinch & counter, or trap a knee and sweep, among other things.
IMO the clinch in MMA has to be fluid & adaptable. Good examples are RDA, DJ, Matt Brown, and Shevchenko. They're constantly moving between striking & grappling in the clinch to keep the opponent guessing, and they're mixing up knees, elbows, and dirty boxing along with using grip transitions to off-balance their opponents and create openings for strikes and takedowns. It's more like a mix of Greco-Roman wrestling, dirty boxing, and traditional Muay Thai.
There's Dos Anjos who trains with all the Muay Thai legends at Evolve and abused Lawler in the clinch in his last fight. Shevchenko has been showing the women what real Muay Thai is, and DJ's clinch work and finishing sequence against Cejudo was also classic Muay Thai. There's also David Teymur who's shown that spamming the round kick to the body works just fine, and he's also shown decent clinch work against Vannata. I'd also note that Joanna has moved to a much more Dutch style since she switched camps to ATT.
Is it because of the threat of the takedown?
Seems like most prefer looking for underhooks.