workers informed they are losing their jobs to mexico on video

[BVG]

Slightly cheaper? Trump is talking about what like 35% tariff? That's drastic because the cost of manufacturing here is drastically higher for reasons that encompass more than just labor costs. Not to mention the tariffs other countries will slap right back with which will hurt exports and guess where American companies will make that up? More price increases on what they sell domestically.

I think you are underestimating the consequences of all these tariffs. Americans might need those jobs because they'll need 2 to afford the same goods.

Tariffs need to be slapped in place to account for the cheap labor. Should a company hit with tariffs decide they want to up the price of their goods even though they still make a profit, then it's up to an American ran competitor to pop up and offer the same goods at a reasonable cost.

The way I see it, they won't be at a disadvantage manufacturing said object over here because the tariffs balance the playing field.

It's in this sense that capitalism would finally work to the advantage of both the American employer and employee.

 

[Rod1]

I dont consider putting tariffs on countries the same way they do to us "distorting" the free market. Of course there are other issues to address. I justt think there needs to be efforts made by the US govt to make it financially feasible for corps to stay in the country. im not saying become isolationists and choke everyone else out.

But you are distorting the free market by forcing international companies to manufacture in an specific place and by closing markets to a lot of US companies by having other countries put tariffs on the US.

To me it seems that you have a liberal heart but a conservative mind so you seem to have a conflict of beliefs when you see the failure of conservative ideology.

Capitalism itself its self-destructive, even in the impossible case that the US still managed to move back manufacturing to the US without shooting itself on the foot (WW3 destroys asia and europe and the US remains the only place that can do high tech manufacture) you will still have to deal with automation a couples decades down the road.

US companies being forced to move shop to America and pay superdollar prices would just speed automation and you would still have the same problem.

 

[Rod1]

Tariffs need to be slapped in place to account for the cheap labor. Should a company hit with tariffs decide they want to up the price of their goods even though they still make a profit, then it's up to an American ran competitor to pop up and offer the same goods at a reasonable cost.

The way I see it, they won't be at a disadvantage manufacturing said object over here because the tariffs balance the playing field.

It's in this sense that capitalism would finally work to the advantage of both the American employer and employee.

Except when other countries put tariffs on american products and the US starts losing its edge because they become less dominant on the world stage.

Also you will still eventually run with automation, even faster if you cant outsource now. What would capitalism do then?

 

[2GunTommy]

If the purpose is to create jobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

And rework government spending so that it actually reaches the hands of common americans instead of just benefiting a few.

If the purpose is to create jobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

And rework government spending so that it actually reaches the hands of common americans instead of just benefiting a few.

Well I cant argue against reworking govt spending even if it doesnt change my view on tariffs.
But the new deal was a lot of govt spending, no ?

 

[Rod1]

Well I cant argue against reworking govt spending even if it doesnt change my view on tariffs.
But the new deal was a lot of govt spending, no ?

Pretty much,

It was a stimulus package done right.

 

[2GunTommy]

But you are distorting the free market by forcing international companies to manufacture in an specific place and by closing markets to a lot of US companies by having other countries put tariffs on the US.

To me it seems that you have a liberal heart but a conservative mind so you seem to have a conflict of beliefs when you see the failure of conservative ideology.

Capitalism itself its self-destructive, even in the impossible case that the US still managed to move back manufacturing to the US without shooting itself on the foot (WW3 destroys asia and europe and the US remains the only place that can do high tech manufacture) you will still have to deal with automation a couples decades down the road.

US companies being forced to move shop to America and pay superdollar prices would just speed automation and you would still have the same problem.

Its not forcing anyone to manufacture anywhere though. Everyone has a choice to stay here or move and pay tariffs. And I dont think youd be closing markets to US Companies because they are already getting hit with those tariffs now. How could these countries increase the tariffs from what they are already ?

Liberal heart, conservative mind I never though of it like that but youre probably not far off.

And I do wonder how much of an impact automation will actually have. How many jobs will always need a person and how many jobs can automation create to replace the lost ones. Manufacturing and maintaining the machines etc

 

[Bay Area]

It is a respectable job. What's unrespectable about it is the wage it pays. That's the problem.

I don't know man. A top sandwich artist at Subway can look to pull in around 20 grand a year.

Were not going to even mention the perks... like the 50% employee discounts on subs and cookies.

 

[BVG]

Except when other countries put tariffs on american products and the US starts losing its edge because they become less dominant on the world stage.

Also you will still eventually run with automation, even faster if you cant outsource now. What would capitalism do then?

Except when other countries put tariffs on american products and the US starts losing its edge because they become less dominant on the world stage.

Also you will still eventually run with automation, even faster if you cant outsource now. What would capitalism do then?

That's already happening.

 

[lapollarecords]

this is to right wingers what feminism/gay rights vs islam apology is to left wingers. it forces them to decide what is higher in their totem pole, if nationalism or free market capitalism.

 

[MicroBrew]

this is to right wingers what feminism/gay rights vs islam apology is to left wingers. it forces them to decide what is higher in their totem pole, if nationalism or free market capitalism.

Yeah the right hates Unions, and extols Capitalism and condemns any criticism of Capitalistic practice as Socialist/Marxist BUT crony capitalism and unfettered capitalism is destroying the very society the rightwing is soo concerned about.

 

[Gervinho]

Strictly business decision. Nothing personal guys.....anyone who has problem with this hates capitalism and is a socialist

 

[ultramanhyata]

I don't know man. A top sandwich artist at Subway can look to pull in around 20 grand a year.

Were not going to even mention the perks... like the 50% employee discounts on subs and cookies.

I stand corrected. I had no idea that Subway employees were so well compensated.

It makes me feel even more positive about the future prospects of the auto workers who will be losing their jobs to Mexico soon.

It's so true what Kenny Florian says...
"When one door closes, another opens... but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."

 

[IDL]

I stand corrected. I had no idea that Subway employees were so well compensated.

It makes me feel even more positive about the future prospects of the auto workers who will be losing their jobs to Mexico soon.

It's so true what Kenny Florian says...
"When one door closes, another opens... but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."

Kenny Kenflo Flowmax is a wise sage

 

[IDL]

Yeah the right hates Unions, and extols Capitalism and condemns any criticism of Capitalistic practice as Socialist/Marxist BUT crony capitalism and unfettered capitalism is destroying the very society the rightwing is soo concerned about.

The Pop right overlooks the crony corporatists undermining them, while the Pop left overlooks the crony state undermining them

An unholy matrimony of Big Brother controlled by crony corporatists is what we end up with.

 

[Rod1]

Its not forcing anyone to manufacture anywhere though. Everyone has a choice to stay here or move and pay tariffs. And I dont think youd be closing markets to US Companies because they are already getting hit with those tariffs now. How could these countries increase the tariffs from what they are already ?

Liberal heart, conservative mind I never though of it like that but youre probably not far off.

And I do wonder how much of an impact automation will actually have. How many jobs will always need a person and how many jobs can automation create to replace the lost ones. Manufacturing and maintaining the machines etc

But you are if tariffs are aimed at curbing foreing competition and what countries have high tariffs that wont be solved with the TPP? China, and that was the purpose of the TPP isnt? to take away bargaining power from China.

And no, the purpose of automation is to reduce the amount of people necesary, if you need as many mechanics as you need workers, it kinda beats the point of automation.

The main issue America is facing is wealth disparity, outsourcing of jobs will keep going until the US dollar stops being the universal currency and the US treasure bonds stop being the safest investment.

 

[djacobox372]

I don't know what the problem is, sending jobs to mexico reduces illegal immigration.

 

[n...not crazy]

That's brutal, man. Brutal. I used to work at a factory.

Can you imagine being that guy at the mic? You'd have to have a head injury to be able to do that and stay monotone.

 

[sloppypie]

That's brutal, man. Brutal. I used to work at a factory.

Can you imagine being that guy at the mic? You'd have to have a head injury to be able to do that and stay monotone.

i was surprised he wasn't mobbed and torn apart when he condescendingly told everyone to quiet down.

 

[dempseyroll]

Venezuela would be a good place for Bernie.

 

[dempseyroll]

Tariffs need to be slapped in place to account for the cheap labor. Should a company hit with tariffs decide they want to up the price of their goods even though they still make a profit, then it's up to an American ran competitor to pop up and offer the same goods at a reasonable cost.

The way I see it, they won't be at a disadvantage manufacturing said object over here because the tariffs balance the playing field.

It's in this sense that capitalism would finally work to the advantage of both the American employer and employee.

You'll vote for a socialist to fix the american capitalism? HAHAHAHAHAHA

I know that sherdog is full of liberals(commies), but this is bulls**t