Everyone advocating the verbal tap must concede that Weidman is not undefeated.
Everyone advocating the verbal tap must concede that Weidman is not undefeated.
You can't have it both ways. If a verbal tap is a legit way to win a fight, then Araujo was robbed against Weidman.scream doesn't end the fight. it has to actually be noticed and stopped by the ref. Like I say with Palhares, his opponent can be tapping with both hands and screaming while his corner is throwing in the towel and a doctor is trying to bust into the cage. it isn't over unless the ref notices it and chooses to stop the fight.
Joe Warren was using a banshee scream to explode Galvao's head. Big John fucked up big time tonight.
Everyone advocating the verbal tap must concede that Weidman is not undefeated.
Did you see Joe's arms impeded? He could tap just fine, he just didn't want to.
Referees have a lot of leeway. And a guy with BJM's experience knows very quickly whether or not a guy is in a position to tap or not. He knew Warren was perfectly able to tap if he wanted to. If his arms had been trapped, then of course BJM would be much more justified in making a judgment call that scream constitutes a tap.
You're trying to make this black and white which is wrong. It's not. Like I said, refs have a lot of latitude when it comes to making judgment calls, and then should use that to allow fights to continue when a guy shows he's in pain yet is perfectly able to tap.
Did you see Joe's arms impeded? He could tap just fine, he just didn't want to.
Referees have a lot of leeway. And a guy with BJM's experience knows very quickly whether or not a guy is in a position to tap or not. He knew Warren was perfectly able to tap if he wanted to. If his arms had been trapped, then of course BJM would be much more justified in making a judgment call that scream constitutes a tap.
You're trying to make this black and white which is wrong. It's not. Like I said, refs have a lot of latitude when it comes to making judgment calls, and then should use that to allow fights to continue when a guy shows he's in pain yet is perfectly able to tap.
No we dont have to concede that because thats a fallacious argument
Here's the thing you guys are acting like all refs everywhere take a scream as a verbal tap and the truth is a lot of refs don't. I've seen fighters almost get subbed. let out a scream or thrash wildly and actually get out and go on to win the fight, this happened to some very high level guys and they were just lucky that had a ref who would let that go on. My thoughts are if we want a real sport it has to be made clear to every commission and ref what is and what is not a tap.
It is black and white. You scream in pain the fight is over. You scream in pain the grappling match is over. Everyone that has ever competed knows this. Joe Warren knows this. If he didn't want to lose he shouldn't have screamed in pain.
You get armbarred and your arm breaks, the fight is over whether you tap or not.
Its not like Warren made a little grunt he screamed in pain at the top of his lungs.
This fight continued, and Chael was screaming like hell. He wound up getting out of it too.
Why? He screamed in pain. That should be a loss if that's all it takes.No we dont have to concede that because thats a fallacious argument
Joe was lying on his back doing nothing in no position to get out of a vicious kneebar and then screamed out like someone getting shot in Commando. But yeah Big John messed up lulz
Why? He screamed in pain. That should be a loss if that's all it takes.
scream doesn't end the fight. it has to actually be noticed and stopped by the ref. Like I say with Palhares, his opponent can be tapping with both hands and screaming while his corner is throwing in the towel and a doctor is trying to bust into the cage. it isn't over unless the ref notices it and chooses to stop the fight.