Columbus statue covered up in LA, Columbus Day removed and replaced by Indiginous Peoples Day

[unimackpass]

I'd rather celebrate Rocky Balboa day.

Isn't there a statue of that guy? Just wrong.

 

[The Big Bang]

He discovered an entire continent with an entire race of people which the rest of the world didn't know existed. So yes, he discovered something. Was it a great achievement? No. But drop the whole 'people were already here therefore he discovered nothing' nonsense. It makes you look so stupid.

lol

 

[Slick_36]

Isn't there a statue of that guy? Just wrong.

No, they sadly removed it and erased the history that was the greatest fictional HW boxer in history.

 

[unimackpass]

Alright, you bunch of goofballs, I see it is once again that time of year where I have to educate you all once again as to the real story of Cristobal Columbo, AKA Christopher Columbus. The modern story of Christopher Columbus as it is told, the story of genocide and what not, comes entirely for Howard Zinn, who on top of being a huge Liberal is a massive and well documented liar. Zinn's entire account of the Columbus tale not only incorrectly claims that Columbus was responsible for committing genoicide on the Taino and exterminating them from the earth (despite the fact that they still exist all across South America today) but tells the story that this was the only tribe that Columbus encountered. This is not true. Columbus dealt with at least 3 tribes of Natives in Haiti, the Arawaks, the Taino and the Carib. The Carib and the Taino were the ones dealt with the most, as the Taino where seen by Columbus and his men as wealthy and properous, and the Carib constantly attacked them and more than likely engaged in Cannibalism. Early on in their interactions Columbus and his men essentially served as muscle for the Taino as they fought against the Carib, and the absolutely enslaved natives and put them to work in the mines. The natives they enslaved were Carib and Arawaks captured in fights against the Taino. The claim that he and his men killed millions of people is beyond preposterous. He never had more than a few hundred soldiers, if that, with him at any given time. Secondly, Columbus had a Priest with him during his second voyage and afterward named Bartolome De Las Casas. De Las Casas was one of the main witnesses against Columbus when he was eventually put on trial later in his life for the very same crimes that Zinn is accusing him of today. One of the main pieces of evidence against him was a "secret" journal that De Las Casas had taken of Columbus' that he sent back to Spain along with other reports on the situation in Haiti about the crfimes Columbus was allegedly committing. This Journal was the basis for much almost all of Zinn's work. Just a slight problem though. The journal was written in beautiful hand writing, in gramatically perfect Latin and Greek. Columbus, however was an unducated peasant who could barely write legibly in Italian or Spanish, the only two languages that he spoke. Columbus was exonerated for the crimes that he is still accused of to this day by people like Zinn WHILE HE WAS STILL ALIVE IN THE LATE 1400S.

Now, let's address the silly "He got lost going to India" line of thinking. This is just as absurd. Columbus grew up in Genoa, at the time the single most important port city in the world. He was a cartographer's assistant at 14, during a time when maps where used as currency. He would have grown up making maps from around the world, and had access to all of the knowledge within. By his mid 20s he was at sea and his late 20s the capitan of his own ship that had made at least 2 trips to Iceland, the place that just so happens to be the home of Lief Erickson. People don't seem to realize that amongst seafareing peoples the fact that there was land far away to the West was a commonly accepted fact for roughly 500 years by the time Columbus came around. What Columbus did was con Spain into agreeing to name him the Duke of any previously undiscovered lands that he may encounter on his way West with rights to profits from trade and title to descend through his hiers for ever. The rest is history. That's the real story of Columbus, glad I could be of help.

Your really messing up a feel good story with facts. Hipster virtue signalers needs stories bro.

 

[unimackpass]

You're a dolt.

Actually he's right.

 

[unimackpass]

No, they sadly removed it and erased the history that was the greatest fictional HW boxer in history.

I'm so relieved.

 

[Rod1]

Study real history, Rod

http://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...s-transcripts-and-maps/capitulations-santa-fe

I guess you have a point but i dont see it.

 

[lfd0311]

Quit living in fear, dude.

Wow... That might be the most retarded post I've ever seen. Just stuff them fingers back in your ears and refuse to achknowledge things you don't want to hear. This thread is full of things like that from you. P.S., this is what's great about people like you. Because if that guy was a CIA agent talking about doing that same thing somewhere in Southeast Asia in the 60's, you'd be losing your mind about how disgusting America is.

This was 30+ years ago that this was filmed. The events he's talking about took place 20 years prior to this. There are longer, full versions you can watch.

 

[lfd0311]

Your really messing up a feel good story with facts. Hipster virtue signalers needs stories bro.

I'm sorry. I just had to.

 

[JadeOwl]

Alright, you bunch of goofballs, I see it is once again that time of year where I have to educate you all once again as to the real story of Cristobal Columbo, AKA Christopher Columbus. The modern story of Christopher Columbus as it is told, the story of genocide and what not, comes entirely for Howard Zinn, who on top of being a huge Liberal is a massive and well documented liar. Zinn's entire account of the Columbus tale not only incorrectly claims that Columbus was responsible for committing genoicide on the Taino and exterminating them from the earth (despite the fact that they still exist all across South America today) but tells the story that this was the only tribe that Columbus encountered. This is not true. Columbus dealt with at least 3 tribes of Natives in Haiti, the Arawaks, the Taino and the Carib. The Carib and the Taino were the ones dealt with the most, as the Taino where seen by Columbus and his men as wealthy and properous, and the Carib constantly attacked them and more than likely engaged in Cannibalism. Early on in their interactions Columbus and his men essentially served as muscle for the Taino as they fought against the Carib, and the absolutely enslaved natives and put them to work in the mines. The natives they enslaved were Carib and Arawaks captured in fights against the Taino. The claim that he and his men killed millions of people is beyond preposterous. He never had more than a few hundred soldiers, if that, with him at any given time. Secondly, Columbus had a Priest with him during his second voyage and afterward named Bartolome De Las Casas. De Las Casas was one of the main witnesses against Columbus when he was eventually put on trial later in his life for the very same crimes that Zinn is accusing him of today. One of the main pieces of evidence against him was a "secret" journal that De Las Casas had taken of Columbus' that he sent back to Spain along with other reports on the situation in Haiti about the crfimes Columbus was allegedly committing. This Journal was the basis for much almost all of Zinn's work. Just a slight problem though. The journal was written in beautiful hand writing, in gramatically perfect Latin and Greek. Columbus, however was an unducated peasant who could barely write legibly in Italian or Spanish, the only two languages that he spoke. Columbus was exonerated for the crimes that he is still accused of to this day by people like Zinn WHILE HE WAS STILL ALIVE IN THE LATE 1400S.

Considering Bartolomé de las Casas was 9 years old when Columbus set sail for his second voyage, I feel pretty confident calling your whole post utter bullshit without even fact-checking the rest.

 

[lfd0311]

I guess you have a point but i dont see it.

I mean.... "Oh by the way, if I should happen to just saunter into any previously undiscovered landmasses while I'm attempting to discover a Western sea route to India to establish trade, I will automatically be named viceroy of all those and ajoining lands, be named high admiral of the sea and be entitled to 1/10 of the total profits from these lands and titles, and so will my descendants into perpetuity (That means forever, P.S.)" is a bit of an odd agreement for man to seek out with a Nation who he is simply trying to get to sponsor his trading expedition to India don't you think? And then he has the massive good fortune to, upon getting lost and wandering around the ocean as you've claimed, just happens to bump into that very thing!! And then upon doing so, does he continue on and attempt to find a route to India? Hell no!! he turns right around an gangster rolls right back to Spain (something else that is shockingly odd for someone who is "lost" as you claimed to have been able to do, since they were navigating by dead reckoning.)

 

[Slick_36]

Wow... That might be the most retarded post I've ever seen. Just stuff them fingers back in your ears and refuse to achknowledge things you don't want to hear. This thread is full of things like that from you. P.S., this is what's great about people like you. Because if that guy was a CIA agent talking about doing that same thing somewhere in Southeast Asia in the 60's, you'd be losing your mind about how disgusting America is.

This was 30+ years ago that this was filmed. The events he's talking about took place 20 years prior to this. There are longer, full versions you can watch.

Oh no, I get what you're saying and it's a pretty underhanded tactic. I prefer it to nuclear war, but that doesn't say much. I'm just saying, I have faith in this country to not fall apart because of something like this. I'll say the neo-marxist postmodernists are a problem in college education, right now. Shutting down dialogue and inciting division. But that problem is the result of our own recklessness, greed, and ignorance, as much as it is some master plan to to take down the US by the Commies 30+ years after the USSR fell.

 

[goldennirvana]

lol

Your few remaining brain cells had to work overtime to come up with that response. You must have a headache now.

 

[unimackpass]

Quit living in fear, dude.

Farrr left.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/december/wineburg-historiography-zinn-122012.html

It would be difficult to overstate the degree to which A People's History has resonated with the American public. Although its perspective is unabashedly from the far left, its reach and influence extend far beyond that quarter with more than 2 million copies in print and prominent displays in suburban superstores.

 

[lfd0311]

Considering Bartolomé de las Casas was 9 years old when Columbus set sail for his second voyage, I feel pretty confident calling your whole post utter bullshit without even fact-checking the rest.

I'm sorry. It was De Las Casas' dad. De las Casas came to the New World in 1502 to live with his father. I mean, by all means, don't fact check any of this or anything before posting.

EDIT: I mean, like this for instance:

According to the abstract of Columbus's journal made by Bartolomé de Las Casas, the objective of the third voyage was to verify the existence of a continent that King John II of Portugal suggested was located to the southwest of the Cape Verde Islands. King John reportedly knew of the existence of such a mainland because "canoes had been found which set out from the coast of Guinea [West Africa] and sailed to the west with merchandise."

Keep in mind that this Journal that De Las Casas was supposedly transcribing was written entirely in Latin and Greek. Who do you suppose has a better handle of Latin and Greek? A Catholic Priest from a Noble family or a semi literate peasant from Genoa who can hardly write legibly in his native language? That could obviously just be a load of BS on my part though.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Second_voyage

 

[Slick_36]

Farrr left.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/december/wineburg-historiography-zinn-122012.html

It would be difficult to overstate the degree to which A People's History has resonated with the American public. Although its perspective is unabashedly from the far left, its reach and influence extend far beyond that quarter with more than 2 million copies in print and prominent displays in suburban superstores.

"Wineburg acknowledges that Zinn's book was an important contribution when first published. "

That hardly proves that this whole thing is a Soviet scheme to rip America apart.

 

[unimackpass]

What is a hipster to do?

https://newrepublic.com/article/112574/howard-zinns-influential-mutilations-american-history

As a faculty brat in those years, I was doubly enamored of Zinn after a classmate gave me A People’s History of the United States, his now-famous victims’-eye panorama of the American experience. In my adolescent rebelliousness, I thrilled to Zinn’s deflation of what he presented as the myths of standard-issue history. Do you know that the Declaration of Independence charged King George with fomenting slave rebellions and attacks from “merciless Indian Savages”? That James Polk started a war with Mexico as a pretext for annexing California? That Eugene Debs was jailed for calling World War I a war of conquest and plunder? Perhaps you do, if you are moderately well-read in American history. And if you are very well-read, you also know that these statements themselves are problematic simplifications. But like most sixteen-year-olds, I didn’t know any of this. Mischievously—subversively—A People’s History whispered that everything I had learned in school was a sugar-coated fairy tale, if not a deliberate lie. Now I knew.

What I didn’t realize was that the orthodox version of the American past that Howard Zinn spent his life debunking was by the 1980s no longer quite as hegemonic as Zinn made out. Even my high school history teacher marked Columbus Day by explaining that the celebrated “discoverer” of America had plundered Hispaniola for its gold and that, in acts of barbarism that would later be classified as genocide, Columbus’s men had butchered the native Arawaks, slicing off limbs for sport and turning their scrotums into change-purses. (This last detail stuck vividly in the teenage mind.) That Mr. MacDougall was conversant with radical scholarship such as Zinn’s suggests that much had changed from the days when Zinn himself had imbibed uncritical schoolbook accounts of the American story. True, in the popular books and public ceremonies of the 1980s, you could still find a whitewashed tale of the nation’s past, as you can today; and many cities around the country shielded their charges from such heresies. But as far as historians were concerned, the sacred cows that Howard Zinn was purporting to gore had already been slaughtered many times. As Jon Wiener noted in the Journal of American History, “during the early seventies … of all the changes in the profession, the institutionalization of radical history was the most remarkable.”

It is no secret that the radical historians of the 1960s—and more basically, the infusion of that decade’s fiercely questioning spirit into intellectual life—transformed historical inquiry. Almost half a century has now passed since a new tide of work upended interpretations of subjects from the Civil War to the Cold War and legitimized whole fields of research, notably Afro-American history and women’s history. In short order, these new fields and frameworks became central to the discipline. This mainstreaming of radical history owes more to the flow of deep currents of academic thought than it does to the person of Howard Zinn. But Zinn deserves a share of responsibility. As Martin Duberman notes in his interesting but flawed biography of Zinn, A People’s History of the United States has long been a publishing sensation, having sold more than two million copies in thirty-plus years, and its transgressive vapors still beguile young minds. To be sure, when they get to college, many of these students continue to read books, including works of history. And some of them come to realize that Zinn’s famous book is—for reasons that Duberman admirably makes clear—a pretty lousy piece of work.

 

[Rod1]

I mean.... "Oh by the way, if I should happen to just saunter into any previously undiscovered landmasses while I'm attempting to discover a Western sea route to India to establish trade, I will automatically be named viceroy of all those and ajoining lands, be named high admiral of the sea and be entitled to 1/10 of the total profits from these lands and titles, and so will my descendants into perpetuity (That means forever, P.S.)" is a bit of an odd agreement for man to seek out with a Nation who he is simply trying to get to sponsor his trading expedition to India don't you think? And then he has the massive good fortune to, upon getting lost and wandering around the ocean as you've claimed, just happens to bump into that very thing!! And then upon doing so, does he continue on and attempt to find a route to India? Hell no!! he turns right around an gangster rolls right back to Spain (something else that is shockingly odd for someone who is "lost" as you claimed to have been able to do, since they were navigating by dead reckoning.)

Yet he dies poor because said land is devoid of any riches whatsoever and cant pay back his debtors.

 

[The Big Bang]

Your few remaining brain cells had to work overtime to come up with that response. You must have a headache now.

The next thing you're going to say is that Thanksgiving is actually a legit holiday.

Yay the destruction of indigenous people!

*sarcasm*

 

[lfd0311]

Oh no, I get what you're saying and it's a pretty underhanded tactic. I prefer it to nuclear war, but that doesn't say much. I'm just saying, I have faith in this country to not fall apart because of something like this. I'll say the neo-marxist postmodernists are a problem in college education, right now. Shutting down dialogue and inciting division. But that problem is the result of our own recklessness, greed, and ignorance, as much as it is some master plan to to take down the US by the Commies 30+ years after the USSR fell.

It wasn't just the US. It was an attack from an ideological perspective on the West in general, and it started with an attack on the education system.