School shootings

[RIPWarrior]

Force everybody to be homeschooled. There can't be school shooters if there are no schools.

Or progressive brainwashing

 

[VivaRevolution]

So the official count is in. We had 14 school shootings this year so far. What the fuck is going on? Last year there was around 65 shootings on campuses. I remember when Columbine was a crazy incident, now it seems to be happening all the time. In January, there was better odds of a school shooting occurring than not somewhere in America each school day.

What do you think this we can do to change this? If gun bans are off the table, how can we change this horrifying trend?

How do you engineer culture?

I remember school. Kids are vicious. Let's start there.

Can we give kids a citizenship grade, that actually impacts their GPA, and college prospects, that includes social media complaints?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Interesting take on it.

I think the culture surrounding the internet that is perpetuated through social media sites is another big problem honestly. It aggrandizes the sort of sociopathic behaviors that are inherently present in many criminals/killers.

South Park said the same thing.

I should have started a thread over that episode.

South Park might really be why we have school shootings and a president Trump. They really were the ones to normalize this.

 

[7437]

Also kids CANNOT get a gun without their parents being irresponsible dipshits. my roomates have 3 kids, and it is impossible for them to get my gun. It goes in a quicksafe because i am not a total retard.

 

[7437]

American culture has some very toxic branches that manifest in a myriad of ways, usually through cruelty or violence. I think this recent influx of shootings is a product of contemporary culture, rather than some inherent "flaw" in Americans. The powers that be have done their best to erase ethics in favor of excess.

Quite a few of these are just notmal suburbia though, not some crazy extremists or gangbangers.

 

[sangreporsangre]

Ok well in fairness it does have to be said that it's not as if it's been 14 Columbine style school shootings so far - they count every time a gun is discharged on school grounds. So a couple were suicides, a few of them nobody was shot, most were a kid shooting another kid. Not that it makes it any less terrible really. Then now there was that Kentucky shooting which was more of a mass shooting. The question from the OP remains, how to stop it? What can be done? Even if you had strict measures at the school like metal detectors and shit it probably wouldn't have stopped a lot of these since a lot of them may have happened out in the parking lot or whatever. You guys just have so many goddamn guns out there. This article has a map with all of the shootings so far:

https://www.abc15.com/news/data/sch...when-where-each-shooting-has-occurred-in-2018

The organization defines a school shooting as "any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds."

A total of 65 shootings were reported on school campuses in 2017.

These incidents, according to Everytown, are collected from media reports and further inquiries.

Everytown for Gun Safety on its website lists itself as "an independent, non-partisan 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to understanding and reducing gun violence in America."

Here's a radio show that explains some of them but I guess it's a week old and there was only 11 at the time. I didn't listen to it but read this brief transcript there that lists the shootings:

Spoiler

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

Yesterday's shooting was not the first to happen on school property in 2018. It was the 11th.

AILSA CHANG, HOST:

And it was the third this week. Two other incidents happened on Monday - the first at a high school in Italy, Texas. A 15-year-old girl was shot by another student.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER #1: A firefighter who came to the victim's aid here told me tonight she just kept repeating, don't let me die.

CHANG: She's still recovering.

KELLY: Later that same afternoon - another shooting in the parking lot of a New Orleans charter school. One student was slightly injured.

CHANG: On January 20, a student was shot on the campus of Wake Forest University. He died.

KELLY: January 15, Marshall, Texas - a bullet was fired into a college dorm room. Three students were inside. No one was hurt.

CHANG: And January 10 - three shootings in three states - first a suicide at Coronado Elementary School in Arizona.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER #2: The school called to report an active shooter around 9 in the morning. When deputies arrived, they found a 14-year-old boy shot dead inside a bathroom.

KELLY: And at Grayson College in Texas, a student fired a gun in a classroom by accident. No one was hit.

CHANG: Then that evening in California...

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER #3: Breaking news - shots fired on the campus of Cal State, San Bernardino.

CHANG: One bullet struck a building, but no one was injured.

KELLY: It keeps going. January 9, a man shot a pellet gun at a school bus full of children in Iowa, shattering a window. No one was injured.

CHANG: And January 4, two shots fired into a Seattle high school during classes - again, no one was injured.

KELLY: That same day in Michigan, a man committed suicide - shot himself in the parking lot of an empty elementary school.

CHANG: Eleven shootings all involving schools, and we are just 24 days into 2018.

So as you can see it's not quite what your imagination goes to when you hear "14 school shootings" but it's still some fucked up stuff. 15 year old girl getting shot by another girl, and wtf some fuckin guy shot a bb gun at a school bus?? That guy needs to get caught by the parents of the town rather than the cops. But as you can see they count everything.

 

[PHATV]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I saw someone breaking down this number (14) and it was laughable. It's a gun-ban stat, and it includes shootings near a school, a gang shooting on a school parking lot at midnight on a Saturday, things like that. Very misleading.

Not saying 10 or 8 is a "good" number, just pointing out that the stat is misleading. Got a source where they break them down?

Edit to add now that I post, looks like right above me is the counter. Carry on...

 

[Mike Hagger]

My kid is two and my big stuff is in a 400 plus pound safe and my carry gun goes into a quick vault when I get home.

Sadly a lot of cops I know don't own a safe.

Sadly alot of gun owners are irresponsible in general.

There's a plethora of causes to school shootings and I wouldn't act like I know any answers here, but bad gun owners are without a doubt a factor.

 

[tonni]

We basically have zero school shootings in Europe. Anyone got a reason why?

 

[JonnyRingo84]

So the official count is in. We had 14 school shootings this year so far. What the fuck is going on? Last year there was around 65 shootings on campuses. I remember when Columbine was a crazy incident, now it seems to be happening all the time. In January, there was better odds of a school shooting occurring than not somewhere in America each school day.

What do you think this we can do to change this? If gun bans are off the table, how can we change this horrifying trend?

but these arent all mass shootings. arent some of these shootings due to drugs and such? when you factor that in, there were years in the 80s, 90's that were way worse than this one.

 

[Leagon]

Culture of peace.

If this were happening in any other country, Americans would have a lot of opinions on it, especially conservatives. They love to decry other "cultures." But since it's happening at home, where we have to take responsibility for things, it's easier to say nothing can be done.

 

[TheComebackKid]

I think there might be more due to having to deal with bullying through social media such as Facebook and texting. Used to home was a safe space. Now kids have access to each other all the time. Parents maybe more disconnected from there kids due to all the media we have access to through the advances in technology.

I was reading more kids are being exposed to porn at younger ages.

Shooting in schools have also become more normalized, so the stigma of using violence against one another may have also been lessened.

In short it's technology's fault, let's ban it.

God is the only answer for this trend. As long as we keep rejecting Him you can expect our society to continue to become more violent, more depraved, more ugly, more hateful, more insulting. And our people will continue to become more morally corrupted, more confused, more depressed, more lonely, more broken, ect ect.

We are leading toward the Days of the Noah my friend.

 

[oldshadow]

First this shooter was 12, I repeat 12 years old. What normal 12 year old plans and shoots other students. I'm going to bet her doing this doesn't come as a big surprise to a number of people.

Second how in the hell did she get the gun in the first place. I'm as pro second as you get but you are responsible for your guns if you are a owner. If the gun owner didn't take reasonable precautions with children in the home they should be charged with felony child endangerment.

Howerve even at the age of 12 she knew what she was doin and what the gun would do if she shot someone.

Odds are she is a write off and will never be able to be trusted in society. Most likely the best thing is she is committed to an mental instution for 30 or 40 years then we can see if she can be in some half way house for the rest of her life.

 

[jonharrison]

We basically have zero school shootings in Europe. Anyone got a reason why?

The most compelling reason that I’ve come across, and I’ll see if I can find it again, was a paper comparing American and European culture in relation to how well an individual felt a connection to their community. Now I read this paper in college, so I can only offer the summary as I remember it, but basically the gist was that Americans, due to a highly mobile society, don’t tend to interact with neighbors or others in the community on a deep level. Americans tend to view their community more in terms of who their friends are, not who lives near them. Europeans, on the other hand, tend to have a more localized view of community. Those who live near you, even if they aren’t really friends, are people who you should take an interest in. This paper theorized that rehabilitation for prisoners works better in Europe because the inmate leaves prison for a community that will take an active interest in them doing the right thing. So in Europe a neighbor would be more likely to intervene early, if they know there’s a problem, than an American who may not know their neighbor is having a problem until it’s too late. This would apply to school shootings, or really any sort of horrific crime in the US, for many of the same reasons. Take that family in California who locked their kids up. The neighbors said pretty much all the same thing “Quiet family, kept to themselves, didn’t really know them”. That same sentiment gets said about school shooters. No one in the community outside a small handful of people really seem to know anything about the shooters. I saw this when I was working in mental health as well. I would have clients, just 8 or 9 years old, who would run away from home, or self harm. I can’t think of a single neighbor of any of my clients who knew anything about what was going on with them. This isn’t a criticism of American culture, it’s just the byproduct of a huge, diverse, population that’s likely to move on a more frequent basis than Europeans, but it’s something that needs a solution to if we want to improve things like mental health, crime, rehabilitation of prisoners, etc.

 

[tonni]

The most compelling reason that I’ve come across, and I’ll see if I can find it again, was a paper comparing American and European culture in relation to how well an individual felt a connection to their community. Now I read this paper in college, so I can only offer the summary as I remember it, but basically the gist was that Americans, due to a highly mobile society, don’t tend to interact with neighbors or others in the community on a deep level. Americans tend to view their community more in terms of who their friends are, not who lives near them. Europeans, on the other hand, tend to have a more localized view of community. Those who live near you, even if they aren’t really friends, are people who you should take an interest in. This paper theorized that rehabilitation for prisoners works better in Europe because the inmate leaves prison for a community that will take an active interest in them doing the right thing. So in Europe a neighbor would be more likely to intervene early, if they know there’s a problem, than an American who may not know their neighbor is having a problem until it’s too late. This would apply to school shootings, or really any sort of horrific crime in the US, for many of the same reasons. Take that family in California who locked their kids up. The neighbors said pretty much all the same thing “Quiet family, kept to themselves, didn’t really know them”. That same sentiment gets said about school shooters. No one in the community outside a small handful of people really seem to know anything about the shooters. I saw this when I was working in mental health as well. I would have clients, just 8 or 9 years old, who would run away from home, or self harm. I can’t think of a single neighbor of any of my clients who knew anything about what was going on with them. This isn’t a criticism of American culture, it’s just the byproduct of a huge, diverse, population that’s likely to move on a more frequent basis than Europeans, but it’s something that needs a solution to if we want to improve things like mental health, crime, rehabilitation of prisoners, etc.

That's interesting, but I'm not sure if it applies to where I live. We're a smaller country, sure, but we don't have that "neighborly" attitude at all.

Did this paper specify which part of Europe they were comparing to the USA?

 

[cincymma79]

So the official count is in. We had 14 school shootings this year so far. What the fuck is going on? Last year there was around 65 shootings on campuses. I remember when Columbine was a crazy incident, now it seems to be happening all the time. In January, there was better odds of a school shooting occurring than not somewhere in America each school day.

What do you think this we can do to change this? If gun bans are off the table, how can we change this horrifying trend?

School shootings aren’t new. You having the news in your pocket at all times is. So you hear about it more

 

[cincymma79]

That's interesting, but I'm not sure if it applies to where I live. We're a smaller country, sure, but we don't have that "neighborly" attitude at all.

Did this paper specify which part of Europe they were comparing to the USA?

Sounds like bullshit. Japan does not have that at all and has no shootings. So maybe it is different culture Hard to judge or maybe this opinion is based on no experience with he country they describe

 

[tonni]

Sounds like bullshit. Japan does not have that at all and has no shootings. So maybe it is different culture Hard to judge or maybe this opinion is based on no experience with he country they describe

Why do you think the USA is so massively overrepresented when it comes to school shootings?

 

[jonharrison]

That's interesting, but I'm not sure if it applies to where I live. We're a smaller country, sure, but we don't have that "neighborly" attitude at all.

Did this paper specify which part of Europe they were comparing to the USA?

I want to say mostly Scandinavia, although I could be mistaken.

 

[tonni]

I want to say mostly Scandinavia, although I could be mistaken.

I think there's a stronger sense of community and hospitality in the Southern European countries. Portugal, Spain, Italy...