Fmr CIA director US "probably" meddles in other countrie's elections, but for a good cause

[MicroBrew]

Can you post any shred of proof?

Proof of what?
That the US overthrew democratic government in Iran and Chile? That is common knowledge. Sisi being a dictator that infringes on people's rights is also common knowledge.

 

[P4p Islam]

Proof of what?
That the US overthrew democratic government in Iran and Chile? That is common knowledge. Sisi being a dictator that infringes on people's rights is also common knowledge.

That the clintons interfered with Russian elections.


And if time is a factor, it's all good. I'll wait.

 

[MicroBrew]

so it's ok to meddle, if it's for a good cause.

Yeah, Woolsey's comment is so incredulous. Ofcourse Russia also thinks it was supporting Trump for a good cause.

 

[DoomPatrol]

I would appreciate that when it happens. But our intelligence agencies and government don't really care about what we want and have generally adopted an "Ends justify the means" attitude similar to sovietization period of history where anyone who meets their criteria "Enemy of my enemy" gets care packages of weapons, intelligence, and coordination with U.S. "Advisors."

It's very difficult for the U.S. to claim any kind of moral high ground given our government's behavior over the last several decades.

That is absolutely not who those men in the photograph are. That was discredited years ago.

For example, the Al Baghdadi guy isn't the ISIS leader. He was a well known commander of the Northern Storm Brigade.

It's insane to think that he would be so stupid as to post photos with the men you suggest. It's nonsense and only shows that you think all Muslims look alike because you're an ignorant racist

 

[EZShrimpn]

That the clintons interfered with Russian elections.


And if time is a factor, it's all good. I'll wait.

Bill Clinton not only did it, America openly bragged about it. Yeltsin was about as big of a stooge as anyone could hope for. A corrupt and hopeless alcoholic who was happy to hand over the reins of power as soon as he could find someone that wouldn't put him in prison once he retired.

Yeltsin's reign was an era of unrestrained looting of Russian industry and resources. The rise of the "Oligarchs" in Russia.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/14/yelt-j14.html

In 1996, the White House and President Bill Clinton personally mounted a massive campaign to secure the reelection of Boris Yeltsin, whose comprador regime had been installed in the first place to oversee the dissolution of the Soviet Union and restoration of capitalism. One of the ironies of the current contrived scandal over alleged Russian intervention in the 2016 election is the fact that the supposed victim, Hillary Clinton, is the wife of the president who oversaw the very real interference by Washington in the Russian election 20 years earlier.

By the time Yeltsin announced in early 1996 that he would be running for a second term in the presidential election scheduled for that summer, he had become one of the most despised figures in Russia, having presided over the catastrophic consequences of the privatization of the Russian economy. The impact included a GDP decline of 50 percent, hyperinflation, rampant corruption, skyrocketing violent crime, the collapse of medical services, food and fuel shortages, nonpayment of wages and pensions, and a plunge in life expectancy. Added to this toxic mix was Yeltsin’s highly unpopular war with Chechnya.

By late 1993, these policies had provoked such massive opposition that Yeltsin, by means of a dictatorial decree, dissolved the parliament. In response, opponents in Moscow took over government buildings. To put down the rebellion, Yeltsin, using critical intelligence provided by Washington, called out the military, shelled the parliament building and in the ensuing bombing and shooting killed an estimated 2,000 people. This was the supposed hero of democracy whom the United States backed in the 1996 election.

The oligarchs and generals who supported Yeltsin urged him to cancel or postpone the election, fearing that Gennady Zyuganov, the right-wing nationalist leader of the Stalinist Communist Party, would win. Instead, US political operatives were sent to Russia to rescue Yeltsin from likely political defeat.

Far from concealing this intervention, the American ruling elite boasted of its success after Yeltsin’s victory. Timemagazine made it the cover story of its July 15, 1996 edition.

 

[MicroBrew]

That the clintons interfered with Russian elections.


And if time is a factor, it's all good. I'll wait.

Trying to find a complete article that is not behind a pay wall.
THE SECRET STORY OF HOW FOUR U.S. ADVISERS USED POLLS, FOCUS GROUPS, NEGATIVE ADS AND ALL THE OTHER TECHNIQUES OF AMERICAN CAMPAIGNING TO HELP BORIS YELTSIN WIN

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,984833,00.html

 

[xcvbn]

I'm American, so I'm not mad if it happens in America's interests. As long as we are on the winning team.

edit:
Also, no shit we are meddling in elections. Having a bunch of fuckwits like the Muslim Brotherhood out there isn't a good thing for us.

Who do you think propped up the MB?

 

[MicroBrew]

Americans can spot election meddling because they’ve been doing it for years

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...dling-doing-years-vladimir-putin-donald-trump


As soon as Bill Clinton assumed the White House in 1993, his experts discussed “formulating a policy of American tutelage”, including unabashed partisan support for President Boris Yeltsin. “Political missionaries and evangelists, usually called ‘advisers’, spread across Russia in the early and mid-1990s,” notes Cohen: many were funded by the US government. Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former national security adviser, talked of Russia “increasingly passing into de facto western receivership”.


The results were, to put it mildly, disastrous. Between 1990 and 1994, life expectancy for Russian men and women fell from 64 and 74 years respectively to 58 and 71 years. The surge in mortality was “beyond the peacetime experience of industrialised countries”. While it was boom time for the new oligarchs, poverty and unemployment surged; prices were hiked dramatically; communities were devastated by deindustrialisation; and social protections were stripped away.

To the horror of the west, Yeltsin’s popularity nosedived to the point where a communist triumph in the 1996 presidential elections could not be ruled out. Yeltsin turned to the oligarchs, using their vast resources to run an unscrupulous campaign. As Leonid Bershidsky puts it, it was “a momentous event that undermined a fragile democracy and led to the emergence of Vladimir Putin’s dictatorial regime”. It is even alleged that, in 2011, Putin’s key ally – then-president Dmitry Medvedev – privately suggested the election was rigged. In the run-up to the election, Russia was granted a huge US-backed IMF loan that – as the New York Times noted at the time – was “expected to be helpful to President Boris N Yeltsin in the presidential election”.

Yeltsin relied on US political strategists – including a former aide to Bill Clinton – who had a direct line back to the White House. When Yeltsin eventually won, the cover of Time magazine was “Yanks to the rescue: The secret story of how American advisers helped Yeltsin win”.

Without the chaos and deprivations of the US-backed Yeltsin era, Putinism would surely not have established itself. But it’s not just Russia by any means, for the record of US intervention in the internal affairs of foreign democracies is extensive.

 

[EZShrimpn]

That is absolutely not who those men in the photograph are. That was discredited years ago.

So who are these men?

Are they not affiliated with islamist militias?

 

[MicroBrew]

Putin was just repaying the scumbag Clintons for manipulating and interfering in Russian elections. The Clintons got what they deserved.

I voted for Obama twice, but not for Hillary, and am glad she lost. She is the quintessential self-serving political whore climbing the career ladder. All she cared about was being in the history books as the 1set female President. She ain't no liberal. She supported the Iraq war because she figured that would get her on the good books of Jewish donors and NeoConservative supporters. Obama opposed the war. The Democrat base rejected Hillary, in large part because of her Iraq war support.

 

[DoomPatrol]

So who are these men?

Are they not affiliated with islamist militias?

They are high ranking members of secular rebel groups. Or at least they were. Probably dead now.

 

[MicroBrew]

Bill Clinton not only did it, America openly bragged about it. Yeltsin was about as big of a stooge as anyone could hope for. A corrupt and hopeless alcoholic who was happy to hand over the reins of power.

Yeltsin's reign was an era of unrestrained looting of Russian industry and resources. The rise of the "Oligarchs" in Russia.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/14/yelt-j14.html

Yeltsin was drunk at the wheel, enabling the West to rip-off Russia and attempt to control Russia through its oligarchs. Putin came in and put a stop to that.

 

[EZShrimpn]

Yeltsin was drunk at the wheel, enabling the West to rip-off Russia and attempt to control Russia through its oligarchs. Putin came in and put a stop to that.

Yeltsin didn't care about that though. He just wanted someone who wouldn't come after him for all the shit he stole in office.

 

[MicroBrew]

Yeltsin didn't care about that though. He just wanted someone who wouldn't come after him for all the shit he stole in office.

Didn't mean to imply that Yeltsin was in on the Western plot, just that he was incompetent and or inadvertently allowed Western powers to attempt a takeover of Russia.

 

[EZShrimpn]

They are high ranking members of secular rebel groups. Or at least they were. Probably dead now.

Any link to which secular rebel groups?

 

[EZShrimpn]

Didn't mean to imply that Yeltsin was in on the Western plot, just that he was incompetent and or inadvertently allowed Western powers to attempt a takeover of Russia.

Sure, he was in fact a willing participant in the looting of Russia following Perestroika and Shock-Privatization. I just don't think he green-lit Putin as his successor in a public radio/T.V. address for nationalistic or patriotic reasons. Simply so he could retire and drink himself to death without fear of reprisal.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Sure, he was in fact a willing participant in the looting of Russia following Perestroika and Shock-Privatization. I just don't think he green-lit Putin as his successor in a public radio/T.V. address for nationalistic or patriotic reasons. Simply so he could retire and drink himself to death without fear of reprisal.

A great time in Russia.

Period when very principled card carrying communists became very rich capitalists over night.

 

[tramendous]

I would appreciate that when it happens. But our intelligence agencies and government don't really care about what we want and have generally adopted an "Ends justify the means" attitude similar to sovietization period of history where anyone who meets their criteria "Enemy of my enemy" gets care packages of weapons, intelligence, and coordination with U.S. "Advisors."

It's very difficult for the U.S. to claim any kind of moral high ground given our government's behavior over the last several decades.

K wait i was ok with the pic until one of the guys is supposed to be baghdadi. Source?

 

[ShinkanPo]

Yelztzin is like the real life Fat Bastard

 

[IDL]

It's for the children.

Please think about the children.