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@Trotsky @alanb
Ssssoooooo, dumb question since you guys work in the field as well.. Defense attorney just filed a Notice of Self Defense to let the other side know that's the defense that they're going to use.....
For an Burglary 1, Assault 2, Harassment Threats to Kill case....
I'm confused. How can you claim self defense especially with that first fucking charge.
Yeah, I just get confused how one crime you have is Burglary which basically means you were someplace you weren't supposed to be for the purpose of committing a crime coupled with 2 other charges one for Assault 2 and another Threats to Kill you can claim self defense?Lmao I know one guy I arrested claimed self defense when he literally ran his van up onto the curbside and plowed through a bicyclist who was fleeing from him from an earlier altercation they had.
This was after he claimed it was an accident, but the surveillance footage I had showed his brake lights didn’t go on until well after he crushed this guy. Well lit area and all.
Sorry that as for the legal how I’m not too helpful, but it was an egregious example.
Isn't a lot of hip-hop a rough draft of other music?
- The beats and rhythms are usually scaled down or lifted directly from Funk.
I think it was James Brown who said, "They only know a few of the lessons."
- The lyricism mimics C-grade poetry, and the themes are often puerile. Say Eminem's 200 degrees of anger, or Tupac's musings. To be fair, I like Tupac's poem "The Rose that Grew from Concrete," although it is simple and terse, I think he had good wishes for the world at that time.
- Experimentation is rare and is usually derivative, although there are some good/edgy hip/hop artists out there, but they are few.
This is partly a critique of modern music, however, hop-hop is often selling a dancable beat, low-grade bawdy notions, or a faux street mentality that is fair to describe as thuggish.
To be totally fair, metal is often also selling a "tough" mentality, and a lot of music is tied up in identity. From feel good folk to electronica a lot of people require a certain mentality to join the music, and a certain music to fit the mentality.
Most modern pop is a derivative of the driving disco rhythms, scaled down, matched with simple melodies and harmonies that are polished to take off any hard edges, and matched with beautiful or rugged singers who either swoon or growl through an auto-tuner about vapid party lifestyles, missing one's ex soooo much, or taking in the excesses of "tonight".
It is purely a product often selling the lowest of emotions, musical arrangements, and ideas in order to get "stuck in your head" and promote the opposite of real feeling or thought.
When I hear it, to be honest, I hear fear and desperation, an escape from seeing anything through the vaporous shadows.
You sound like someone who honestly doesn't know much about hip hop.
1. Wholesale flips aren't en vogue anymore and haven't been for years. The DMCA put the kibosh on that. Now you have to get them cleared, which often means that you're getting snippets of songs layered into custom tracks. (1)
2. Rappers tend to have MORE extensive vocabulary usage than other genres. Having to fit rhyme schemes means that you have to dig deep into the dictionary to make a good concept work. Sure you have your c-rate poets as you said, but those aren't the ones being held up as the paragons of the genre. (2)
3. All new rap is is experimentation. Kanye started the wave with Yeezus, which was out of left field, and he carried on with TLOP. If you don't think the music sounds drastically different today than 3 years ago, much less 5 or 10, you can't be paying attention.(3)
Just saying, these criticisms are said a lot and I don't know why. We don't call all rock trash because Nickelback exists, why does the existence of subpar rappers indict rap? (4)
@Trotsky @alanb
Ssssoooooo, dumb question since you guys work in the field as well.. Defense attorney just filed a Notice of Self Defense to let the other side know that's the defense that they're going to use.....
For an Burglary 1, Assault 2, Harassment Threats to Kill case....
I'm confused. How can you claim self defense especially with that first fucking charge.
1. Granted I am not a hip hop expert, and have no intention of being one, although I would take the musical calculus of the layers and instrumentation to mean something, as well as the Godfather of Soul.
2. Well, to be fair I did not make that claim. Also, if you are slowing down the tempo, injecting a narrative into things, and making the rhyme scheme a critical component of the recording... would that not boost the vocabulary by default?
Also, I never claimed music, let alone popular music is of high literary merit, and I severely doubt that any paragons of the genre are going to break the b-rate poetic ceiling.
Leonard Cohen, an actual poet might make the upper ceiling, Bob Dylan might have a shot, or a prime David Byrne for thought in music.
Society fills in style for substance in this category, with hip-hop artists all the more. Perhaps not you, but I imagine you know what I mean when it comes to certain critics and their will to believe or want to believe something in order to promote an idea, a feeling.
3. I don't think our definition of experimental is the same.
4. Are you sure your passion for hip-hop is not making you a tiny, teeny weenie bit subjective?
There are some great hip-hop acts, even by my snobby standards and semi-disdain for the genre. (I'll take funk any day.)
As a last note, you are also 100% correct, because music is perhaps the most subjective of the arts.
The content though that is being given to society, that is perhaps well another matter.
The sample can provide a "flavor" mimicked in the rest of the production, but the best artists are going far beyond that sample to create something new.
Take for instance, the song E=MC2 by the legendary J Dilla to see what I mean. Would you believe that the song samples the bubblegum E=MC2 by Giorgio Moroder? Clearly Moroder's song dominates the hook, but Dilla's mastery of drum placement as well as the stretch from the sample is what dominates the track. Moroder contributed heavily to the spirit of the track, but Dilla is the one that made the track bounce.
Philosophically speaking, it's the argument of whether or not a flip really constitutes a new track. If you don't think so, you probably think hip hop is lazy. If you're open to the concept, then even a sample can turn into something completely different with a little effort. Sample based genres like Vaporwave and Future Funk took that to the extreme and advanced into a whole different direction than their inspirations, to great success.
Ok, maybe I misread that, because clearly nothing is going to be good if we compare it to the absolute pinnacle of human literature. It's like saying Dr. Seuss is a d-rate author because we're comparing him to Hemingway. As far as childrens books go, he might be the greatest author of all. Different lanes, I don't think it's too constructive to try and switch lanes when they have different intentions to begin with, y'know?
Here's what I mean.
This is a concept taken to it's extreme. The song is about a spaceship AI commenting on his passenger, a runaway slave left alone after a slave revolt. The sounds are the sounds of the ship, bare and unforgiving. The only beat is that from the passenger, yearning for human interaction through rhymes. The rhyme scheme shifts from urgent, to curious, to rationalizing, back to urgent in a different way.
This song takes all the traditional tropes of hip hop and ignores them outright to the benefit of the listener. That's experimental, pushing the boundaries of what hip hop is, and even music itself at times. It can be noise, even grating noise, but when put together it can make a compelling tale.
That's Kanye's influence I was talking about btw.
I listen to all music bruv (Sly and The Family Stone right now actually), it's more counteracting the sheer dismissal of the genre that most detractors (not saying you) seem to have. It's an uphill battle at times for even recognition, and you end up addressing a lot of the same baseless criticisms that could be solved of they just listened to better artists. Not meaning to come out guns blazing, it's just a tiring discussion these days.
I'm going to be honest with you as I try to be, and probably never read a single word of this post beyond Sly and the Family Stone, as this is way too much passion for a defense of a music genre in an off-topic thread.
TL/DR!
However, I -will- listen to the music clip, because I have zero objection to mad style and phat beats .
Here's what I mean.
I'm gonna call Dr. Funkenstein and we're gonna funk u up bruv.
Cool. Wasn't paying as much attention to the video as I should have, I guess.
Lmao I know one guy I arrested claimed self defense when he literally ran his van up onto the curbside and plowed through a bicyclist who was fleeing from him from an earlier altercation they had.
This was after he claimed it was an accident, but the surveillance footage I had showed his brake lights didn’t go on until well after he crushed this guy. Well lit area and all.
Sorry that as for the legal how I’m not too helpful, but it was an egregious example.
The sample can provide a "flavor" mimicked in the rest of the production, but the best artists are going far beyond that sample to create something new.
Take for instance, the song E=MC2 by the legendary J Dilla to see what I mean. Would you believe that the song samples the bubblegum E=MC2 by Giorgio Moroder? Clearly Moroder's song dominates the hook, but Dilla's mastery of drum placement as well as the stretch from the sample is what dominates the track. Moroder contributed heavily to the spirit of the track, but Dilla is the one that made the track bounce.
Philosophically speaking, it's the argument of whether or not a flip really constitutes a new track. If you don't think so, you probably think hip hop is lazy. If you're open to the concept, then even a sample can turn into something completely different with a little effort. Sample based genres like Vaporwave and Future Funk took that to the extreme and advanced into a whole different direction than their inspirations, to great success.
Ok, maybe I misread that, because clearly nothing is going to be good if we compare it to the absolute pinnacle of human literature. It's like saying Dr. Seuss is a d-rate author because we're comparing him to Hemingway. As far as childrens books go, he might be the greatest author of all. Different lanes, I don't think it's too constructive to try and switch lanes when they have different intentions to begin with, y'know?
Here's what I mean.
This is a concept taken to it's extreme. The song is about a spaceship AI commenting on his passenger, a runaway slave left alone after a slave revolt. The sounds are the sounds of the ship, bare and unforgiving. The only beat is that from the passenger, yearning for human interaction through rhymes. The rhyme scheme shifts from urgent, to curious, to rationalizing, back to urgent in a different way.
This song takes all the traditional tropes of hip hop and ignores them outright to the benefit of the listener. That's experimental, pushing the boundaries of what hip hop is, and even music itself at times. It can be noise, even grating noise, but when put together it can make a compelling tale.
That's Kanye's influence I was talking about btw.
I listen to all music bruv (Sly and The Family Stone right now actually), it's more counteracting the sheer dismissal of the genre that most detractors (not saying you) seem to have. It's an uphill battle at times for even recognition, and you end up addressing a lot of the same baseless criticisms that could be solved of they just listened to better artists. Not meaning to come out guns blazing, it's just a tiring discussion these days.
Seamlessly? You realize that Trump's only significant legislation was just something that W did, right? And despite his promises not to cut entitlements, he was prepared to sign massive cuts to Medicaid to finance a tax cut for rich investors?
And the only thing new about the GOP's "court the Breitbart crowd and deliver to the Davos crowd" strategy is the terminology. Here's LBJ more than 50 years ago:
Let's wait until a single Republican senator is willing to raise taxes on the wealthy or strengthen the safety net before we say that the party is seamlessly transitioning into something new.
@Trotsky @alanb
Ssssoooooo, dumb question since you guys work in the field as well.. Defense attorney just filed a Notice of Self Defense to let the other side know that's the defense that they're going to use.....
For an Burglary 1, Assault 2, Harassment Threats to Kill case....
I'm confused. How can you claim self defense especially with that first fucking charge.
I guess I can see that but a couple of the other ones like DV Assault with Strangulation seems like more of a pushOff the top of my head, burglary just requires intent to commit a felony during unauthorized access. If the access was unauthorized, but the commission of the felony, thus satisfying the intent thereof, was prompted by a need for self-defense, you could say the burglary was in self-defense.