PSA: PED does indeed have an effect on technique too.

[chuckleknuckle]

One of the dumbest arguments on Sherdog (and trust me, you idiots make many) is that steroids has no effect on technique.

Example:
"Roids didn't make Cormier susceptible to head kicks".

At the most fundamental level, steroids help someone recover more quickly. This means that they are able to train more, which adds to their rep counts. The more reps they have, the better their technique gets.

But improved physical performance from steroids also have an effect on technique during fights too. Your stamina in a fight has a direct effect on the execution of technique. The more tired you are, the worst your technique gets. The more tired you get, the less you are able to concentrate on your opponent's technique.

If a person has more stamina during a fight because of steroids, they are able to do a perfect kick maybe 30 times as opposed to 10 times. They are able to dodge 30 punches as opposed to 10 punches.

If Jon Jones didn't have the stamina, that kick might not have landed. He might not even have had the energy to throw a kick at that point. He might have been to tired to dodge one of Cormier's punches. PED has huge implications. This is just 1 example of many.

Don't you idiots ever make the argument about how PED has no effect on someone's technique again.

Although I see where you are coming from, you have made the mistake of thinking that the higher the number of reps you perform, the better you inherently become. That's not necessarily true, because
you may also be drilling more bad habits and incorrect form with greater repetition.

It's the ratio of good form reps to bad form reps that make you efficient. The more you drill, doesn't necessarily equate to the better technique.

 

[chuckleknuckle]

Bas Rutten kind of paraphrased this by saying Steroids are for Pussies, some guys rely on the mental benefit for sure.

Bas was clearly juiced to the fucking gills.

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

Although I see where you are coming from, you have made the mistake of thinking that the higher the number of reps you perform, the better you inherently become. That's not necessarily true, because
you may also be drilling more bad habits and incorrect form with greater repetition.

It's the ratio of good form reps to bad form reps that make you efficient. The more you drill, doesn't necessarily equate to the better technique.

Your mom has good technique

 

[bjjatx]

Although I see where you are coming from, you have made the mistake of thinking that the higher the number of reps you perform, the better you inherently become. That's not necessarily true, because
you may also be drilling more bad habits and incorrect form with greater repetition.

It's the ratio of good form reps to bad form reps that make you efficient. The more you drill, doesn't necessarily equate to the better technique.

It's unlikely that someone like Jones, training at a world-class camp, would be drilling things incorrectly and picking up poor technical habits.

 

[chuckleknuckle]

Your mom has good technique

That was my dad in a dress. Technically he raped you.

Just joking, you consented.

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

That was my dad in a dress. Technically he raped you.

Just joking, you consented.

 

[LockardTheGOAT]

What they don't do though, is give you inherent skill at something that you don't already have - The fact that there's already a ton of shitty or mediocre fighters that have been busted for PED's proves that.

Fact is, the steroid/PED debate isn't nearly as black and white and cut and dry as most of ya'll wanna make it to be.

 

[Deceasedxo]

Sage is proof that TS is wrong.

 

[pamirec]

Why do they juice? Because it fucking gives you a big advantage. Very simple. Since it’s an advantage, it does effect on the outcome.

 

[bigconan]

One of the dumbest arguments on Sherdog (and trust me, you idiots make many) is that steroids has no effect on technique.

Example:
"Roids didn't make Cormier susceptible to head kicks".

At the most fundamental level, steroids help someone recover more quickly. This means that they are able to train more, which adds to their rep counts. The more reps they have, the better their technique gets.

But improved physical performance from steroids also have an effect on technique during fights too. Your stamina in a fight has a direct effect on the execution of technique. The more tired you are, the worst your technique gets. The more tired you get, the less you are able to concentrate on your opponent's technique.

If a person has more stamina during a fight because of steroids, they are able to do a perfect kick maybe 30 times as opposed to 10 times. They are able to dodge 30 punches as opposed to 10 punches.

If Jon Jones didn't have the stamina, that kick might not have landed. He might not even have had the energy to throw a kick at that point. He might have been to tired to dodge one of Cormier's punches. PED has huge implications. This is just 1 example of many.

Don't you idiots ever make the argument about how PED has no effect on someone's technique again.

That is the biggest pile of shit, I've ever heard....technique and kicking ability is learned through practice and sparring...so you argument is that steroids allow you to train more, so you get better? that's laughable...Guys are going to train the same amount, whether they are on steroids or not...when you are determined, you will train... And you are aware only a miniscule amount of turinobol was found in his system on the day of the fight...which would have no effect on his fight. None at all...steroids take time to work...many weeks to have any effect...and the fact is, something many haters refuse to see, is that jones tested negative the entire time...all through his training camp he tested negative...

 

[JackSchtotll]

No, it does not.

full stop.

 

[bigconan]

DC is yet to actually fight a "clean" Jones so its hard to tell but 1 of the "wins" Jones has over DC is deemed a NC under USADA due to multiple failed drug tests that include Steroids, Turinabol, Clomiphene & Letrozole which unfortunately makes all his MMA accomplishments null and void.

If USADA went after him like they did Lance Armstrong, his MMA record be 0-1-0 with 23 NC and considering how the CSAC hearing went, they most likely will.

Boasting about the PED usage on twitter does not help either.

DC very well could be 2-0 over a "clean" Jones in this USADA era.

If anything since DC beat Miocic, Jones needed the PEDs to fight DC and could never beat DC without the PEDs to the point he was willing to risk his MMA career for the PEDs.

Only the last remaining Jones nutthuggers who live in Cuckistan would defend his PED usage by just saying that everyone else does it.

he has only 1 failed steroid test...for a tiny amount of turinobol...such a small amount will have zero effect on his fighting...ZERO....steroids didn't ko dc...a kick did.

 

[pamirec]

What they don't do though, is give you inherent skill at something that you don't already have - The fact that there's already a ton of shitty or mediocre fighters that have been busted for PED's proves that.

Fact is, the steroid/PED debate isn't nearly as black and white and cut and dry as most of ya'll wanna make it to be.

This whole “roids don’t teach you a technique” is the worst excuse I’ve ever heard regarding PEDs. True that if a fighter just sucks, steroids don’t do him much against a high level guy. But when you have guys that are more or less on the same level, that’s when PEDs help big.

 

[chuckleknuckle]

It's unlikely that someone like Jones, training at a world-class camp, would be drilling things incorrectly and picking up poor technical habits.

It's more than possible. The more reps he would be doing, the coaching staff would have to devote more time to him and checking his form. If they didn't, he'd be training alone for those extra reps and developing faults.

 

[Thc Sargon]

I wonder how much confidence PEDs give to those guys who own everyone in the gym but can't fight under pressure. I wonder if their inhibitions are gone or greatly reduced once they are all juiced up and are actually able to fight like they do in the gym.

If you’ve never tried juice then you have no clue to talk about it. I have that right.

 

[Workaholic]

You would have to be a complete idiot to not know this

Which explains why Jones nut huggers don't believe it

 

[riitzni]

Yes, that would be an obvious benefit to anyone that's ever trained or did any kind of competitive sports. Where you went wrong TS is that you're talking to a forum of people that have never done any of that.

 

[MDoza]

Nothing new here, but worth repeating.
PEDs affect everything.
Stamina, recovery, strength, speed.
Being able to train harder and longer certainly affects technique.

 

[vengeful]

Recovery benefits from steroids are hella overrated, I'm on a cycle right now and I'm sore as shit from a workout.

Strength, aggression, mood >>>> recovery. Can hardly notice a difference between recovery on and off cycle. I'm on a Test/Tren cycle.

 

[Lots]

I don’t know if I like the logic.

First of all, steroids don’t just help with recovery. Gear heads have been saying shit like that for ever so their accomplishments don’t feel diminished.

Depending on the PED and dosage you can feel an immediate difference in physical and mentally ability.

Its not going to “improve” your technique. Defining technique as optimal movement pattern.

I guess you could say the drugs give you more energy to practice but even then there’s only so much you can train and people train a shit load with drugs anyway.

Idk. The obvious “juicers” never really have good technique anyway.