Former white supremacist leader says Donald is using white supremacist recruiting tactics

[dontsnitch]

The fight analogy is that you think you understand the content of an event simply because of a summary you read. The actual event is much more complicated, but since you refuse to watch it, we can't discuss the nuance.

On the contrary, i don't need to know every blow that landed to know one fighter was down on points and needed a ko.

Also, my positron is not only based your summary, as I've explained.

 

[SONNEN]

We clearly have different definitions of the word "leader."

from Webster; "the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country"
What group does he command?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I got the impression that he was asserting it as an ideology that continues to be at the root of American values. I'd have to watch the video again to discuss the nuance on this issue, but from how he talked about fighting white supremacy, it seemed like he still views is as an institutional problem.

Perhaps you're right, but I took it as he was taught that to justify the racism that he was raised in... its ok to be racist cause our country was founded on it.

 

[Soul Crusher]

Nice comeback

The truth is always the best option in these situations.

 

[Pessimystic]

So, the TDS brigade is putting stock in what Don Black's son says now?
I wonder what they thought of him before he flipped? Rhetorical question.

 

[Pessimystic]

American white nationalists are the biggest dumbasses in that regard, considering that they oppose abortion, which is single-handedly responsible for "whites" remaining a majority in the United States.

There is truth in that, but the push of materialism, consumerism and careerism uber alles is also a factor.
See: idiocracy (though they had to PC it up for the masses).

 

[Leagon]

from Webster; "the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country"
What group does he command?

Does giving the keynote speech at white supremacist rallies count as commanding a group? Is he not leading the room in that moment?

 

[Leagon]

So, the TDS brigade is putting stock in what Don Black's son says now?
I wonder what they thought of him before he flipped? Rhetorical question.

I don't think anything different of him, tbh. This thread isn't about him as a person, it's about what he says in the video. Any thoughts?

 

[Pessimystic]

I don't think anything different of him, tbh. This thread isn't about him as a person, it's about what he says in the video. Any thoughts?

Just that he's a clown.

 

[MicroBrew]

Central and South American ancestry, but don't let me stimey your argument with facts.

I don't care that South Americans and Mexicans are coming, but honestly how much of an ancestral claim do they actually have to the US?

Central Americans have a lot of Amerindian ancestry, some are fullblooded Amerindians. As if you didn't know this...

From a racial perspective: They are Amerindians, the same race as North American Native Americans, so this whole continent is their ancestral homeland.

 

[TheGreatA]

Central Americans have a lot of Amerindian ancestry, some are fullblooded Amerindians. As if you didn't know this...

From a racial perspective: They are Amerindians, the same race as North American Native Americans, so this whole continent is their ancestral homeland.

African-Americans generally speaking have more European ancestry, than Latinos have native American ancestry. Does this mean that Europe is the ancestral homeland of African-Americans?

 

[splendica]

Central Americans have a lot of Amerindian ancestry, some are fullblooded Amerindians. As if you didn't know this...

From a racial perspective: They are Amerindians, the same race as North American Native Americans, so this whole continent is their ancestral homeland.

Your arguments will continue to be circular unless you become a full-blown communist and believe property is theft and that no one should own anything.

There goes the mortgage lending base for the economy. Individual autonomy out the window, state group-think enforced down to minutia depending who the dictator is at the top, ownership even down to one's body is eliminated for the good of the state (as it is perceived).

The only thing you've clarified is your position that every tribe has the right to fight for power and control of the US. There are many that agree with you on that.

Your hypocrisy lies in the fact that you believe that white supremacy is different from your wish for power and control over The United States of America.

This is the complaint against the identity politics that have been fanned to life over the last half century and in particular, during Obama's presidency.

It reminds me of this segment from The Simpsons:

Apu: (to the bullies) You are on your honor not to steal anything!
Jimbo Jones and his gang snicker.
Kearney: (sarcastically) Oh we won't!.

 

[MicroBrew]

African-Americans generally speaking have more European ancestry, than Latinos have native American ancestry. Does this mean that Europe is the ancestral homeland of African-Americans?

It depends on the Latinos (and Hispanics). You can't lump them all as one, even they don't lump themselves all as one, as evidenced by their casta system (a social system of hierarchy based on % of European ancestry). Mexico has Whites, Mestizos and Amerindians. Mestizos can have minor or significant Amerindians ancestry. What also matters is how the person self identifies. A North American native with significant White ancestry can still identify with Native identity , so why can't Mestizos then?

 

[TheGreatA]

It depends on the Latinos (and Hispanics). You can't lump them all as one, even they don't lump themselves all as one, as evidenced by their casta system (a social system of hierarchy based on % of European ancestry). Mexico has Whites, Mestizos and Amerindians. Mestizos can have minor or significant Amerindians ancestry. What also matters is how the person self identifies. A North American native with significant White ancestry can still identify with Native identity , so why can't Mestizos then?

Nobody says they couldn't. But if they act like they have bragging rights to owning America, because of 10-15% Native American ancestry, they're only fooling themselves.

You can identify as whatever you please, just don't expect other people to play along. Same goes for all the gender-benders and trans-racialists, and so forth. Do not expect to attain any privileges because of a self-proclaimed identity, that may or may not have a loose basis on reality.

 

[Greoric]

So we're supposed to be worried that "our people", like these guys, won't be looking out for us anymore?

What's the point here? Are you white? Well guess what bucko, every other demographic has institutions looking out for its identity and vying for its representation for political power. Asians, AAs, Latinos et al. The only ones not playing the identity game are whites, and that includes these guys.

There's smart people like @Teppodama that are still talking about fucking individualism and all this other bullshit, when a demographic wave is about to consume your people. Your myopia is actually disgusting because you don't see that the invitation of multiculturalism is one-sided and unique to white people. When whites are a minority in their own countries, your are out of your fucking mind if you think you'll be treated with the same benefits that minorities are privileged with today.

 

[MicroBrew]

Your arguments will continue to be circular unless you become a full-blown communist and believe property is theft and that no one should own anything.

There goes the mortgage lending base for the economy. Individual autonomy out the window, state group-think enforced down to minutia depending who the dictator is at the top, ownership even down to one's body is eliminated for the good of the state (as it is perceived).

The only thing you've clarified is your position that every tribe has the right to fight for power and control of the US. There are many that agree with you on that.

Your hypocrisy lies in the fact that you believe that white supremacy is different from your wish for power and control over The United States of America.

This is the complaint against the identity politics that have been fanned to life over the last half century and in particular, during Obama's presidency.

Nothing communist about stating a fact, that this whole continent was stolen from the natives.

Identity politics has been part of America for ever, White identity politics that is. It has been part and parcel of America's founding, its immigration system, its societal laws, marriage laws , laws designed to exclude Blacks, Asians, Natives from buying property, laws that did not allow Black soldiers to share the same accommodations as White soldiers etc..When America started to really make a change, starting in the 50s and 60s, the social conservatives pushed back. People act like after the Civil Rights act, that everyone just abandoned their racist bias.

 

[Greoric]

What also matters is how the person self identifies. A North American native with significant White ancestry can still identify with Native identity , so why can't Mestizos then?

That's actually true non-subjectively. Self identifications of race fit 99% with best fit genetic clusters.

 

[Greoric]

Nothing communist about stating a fact, that this whole continent was stolen from the natives.

Identity politics has been part of America for ever, White identity politics that is. It has been part and parcel of America's founding, its immigration system, its societal laws, marriage laws , laws designed to exclude Blacks, Asians, Natives from buying property, laws that did not allow Black soldiers to share the same accommodations as White soldiers etc..When America started to really make a change, starting in the 50s and 60s, the social conservatives pushed back. People act like after the Civil Rights act, that everyone just abandoned their racist bias.

It's demonstrable that whites have the least in-group preference of any other ethnicity though.

 

[TheGreatA]

What's the point here? Are you white? Well guess what bucko, every other demographic has institutions looking out for its identity and vying for its representation for political power. Asians, AAs, Latinos et al. The only ones not playing the identity game are whites, and that includes these guys.

There's smart people like @Teppodama that are still talking about fucking individualism and all this other bullshit, when a demographic wave is about to consume your people. Your myopia is actually disgusting because you don't see that the invitation of multiculturalism is one-sided and unique to white people. When whites are a minority in their own countries, your are out of your fucking mind if you think you'll be treated with the same benefits that minorities are privileged with today.

Individualism is the kind of thing where one must go to hell or high water with it.

Certain realities of the world ought to be acknowledged, such as the fact that other "in-groups" may not play along with you as individuals. But abandoning that perspective entirely, only so that we may once again descend to the level of guttural survival amongst ethnicities, to be reduced to serving the will of the collective, is probably beyond ourselves.

We will either see this through, figure out a way to make it function, or we won't.

For me, the solution is to keep the most threatening collective groups "quarantined" from individualist societies, until such a time that they show a capacity to fathom what the concept entails to.

America has pretty much been failing miserably at it, in recent history, so I no longer look at them as an example on how to make it work.

 

[splendica]

Nothing communist about stating a fact, that this whole continent was stolen from the natives.

Identity politics has been part of America for ever, White identity politics that is. It has been part and parcel of America's founding, its immigration system, its societal laws, marriage laws , laws designed to exclude Blacks, Asians, Natives from buying property, laws that did not allow Black soldiers to share the same accommodations as White soldiers etc..When America started to really make a change, starting in the 50s and 60s, the social conservatives pushed back. People act like after the Civil Rights act, that everyone just abandoned their racist bias.

People act like Martin Luther King was the same as, say, Booker T Washington. But let's look at him giving his famous speech: surrounded by Muslims, a white police officer shielding him from an approving mob.

The rage against current whites today is fanned by a lying MSM.