International Active US Air Force member self-immolates outside Israel Embassy in Washington

[GearSolidMetal]

Police reaction is a classic

I'm surprised the cop didn't fire, after he was black.

 

[DarthChen731]

This is not accurate actually it just depends on what the person loves. If the love they have for the other is greater than for themselves, they may see a reason to give their life to raise awareness.

That's not necessarily mental illness and this guy seemed extremely calm on the way to doing it as the video reveals.

I would imagine that a lot of mentally unwell people who have resigned themselves to their fate kill themselves quite calmly.

 

[terrapin]

All the people saying he will accomplish nothing are just themselves completely fixed in their position moving instantly to hatred of the other.

There are many, many people who are compassionate and thoughtful who will be influenced by this man's actions. It's either a kind of lie or profound ignorance to suggest otherwise frankly.

He may have felt it was well worth giving his life just to bring attention and some people's minds to be opened around the horrors going on in Palestine.

Only an age completely defined by selfishness can lose the awareness that giving one's life for a cause is a deep act of love or can be a deep act of love.

 

[My Spot]

his final post

The US is currently committing genocide? That's news to me.

 

[terrapin]

I would imagine that a lot of mentally unwell people who have resigned themselves to their fate kill themselves quite calmly.

I'm sure you would, but that's just a really pathetic use of imagination when considering all of the possibilities here. It is possible he's mentally ill, but it's also possible that he gave his life in sacrifice for a cause he deeply believed in.

You should not pretend certainty when you don't have it.

 

[koquerelle]

Easy to armchair. If a dude is trying to light himself on fire I'm going to not take chances personally.

The idiot had his weapon at the people who were trying to provide help to the air force dude. He was dangerous.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

This is not accurate actually it just depends on what the person loves. If the love they have for the other is greater than for themselves, they may see a reason to give their life to raise awareness.

That's not necessarily mental illness and this guy seemed extremely calm on the way to doing it as the video reveals.

You don't have to set yourself on fire to give your life to a cause. Plenty of ways to do it without going to this extreme.
You don't have to be crazy like The Joker, drooling, or have a twitch to be off mentally in some capacity either. You can calmly do plenty of crazy things because you think the crazy shit you're doing isn't crazy.

Obviously, we can't say with certainty what his mental health was, but killing yourself in this fashion, at his age, when he's not even the one directly involved on either side screams of something being wrong.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

The US is currently committing genocide? That's news to me.

he probably means indirectly by not stopping the israelis, which america could immediately.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The US is currently committing genocide? That's news to me.

Its news to everyone that is very educated about the conflict, because its bullshit.

This is the dangers of paying exclusive attention to leftist news that paint the west as the oppressors no matter the situation.

 

[Tatra]

This goof is getting memed

Police reaction is a classic

There's nothing goofy about what he did. He had no idea what was going on. It could've been a terrorist attack gone wrong and the man on fire still had a gun on him and could've started shooting randomly. He's security. He's trained to behave in a certain way. You have the benefit of hindsight so you can laugh and call him stupid, but he had absolutely no way to know what was going on.

 

[BroRogan]

Imagine ending your brief time on this planet, in such a painful way, all for some people who hate you for not being muslim, would stone your mother to death for talking to a man, and would throw you off a building for all that tranny porn that dude probably was jacking off to. No loss to the world.

 

[terrapin]

You don't have to set yourself on fire to give your life to a cause. Plenty of ways to do it without going to this extreme.
You don't have to be crazy like The Joker, drooling, or have a twitch to be off mentally in some capacity either. You can calmly do plenty of crazy things because you think the crazy shit you're doing isn't crazy.

Obviously, we can't say with certainty what his mental health was, but killing yourself in this fashion, at his age, when he's not even the one directly involved on either side screams of something being wrong.

None of these are arguments at all as far as I can tell. That there are other possibilities is kind of a given, isn't it? I don't really see the thought you've put into this from your post frankly.

When you said this day and age though is the one part that made me think. Yeah, you're right... In this day and age defined by profound selfishness an act of martyrdom does seem insane, but that's only because we've lost any love for the other and only care about ourselves.

Whether or not he was mentally ill I don't know. But I do know that love could drive a person to this action and care for something more than yourself could drive a person to this action.

Reading through this thread, the thing that interests me most is how almost nobody can comprehend that kind of love anymore. And the saddest thing about that is that most of them probably could comprehend an act of love like that as long as it didn't conflict with their position on this topic.

So it's not an intellectual incapacity to understand the subject of martyrdom. It's a willful ignorance in protection of a pet theory or idea.

 

[My Spot]

he probably means indirectly by not stopping the israelis, which america could immediately.

But they aren't committing genocide either.

 

[Blayt7hh]

All the people saying he will accomplish nothing are just themselves completely fixed in their position moving instantly to hatred of the other.

There are many, many people who are compassionate and thoughtful who will be influenced by this man's actions. It's either a kind of lie or profound ignorance to suggest otherwise frankly.

He may have felt it was well worth giving his life just to bring attention and some people's minds to be opened around the horrors going on in Palestine.

Only an age completely defined by selfishness can lose the awareness that giving one's life for a cause is a deep act of love or can be a deep act of love.

It might draw attention to the issue but why should anyone change their opinion because of what he did?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

All the people saying he will accomplish nothing are just themselves completely fixed in their position moving instantly to hatred of the other.

There are many, many people who are compassionate and thoughtful who will be influenced by this man's actions. It's either a kind of lie or profound ignorance to suggest otherwise frankly.

He may have felt it was well worth giving his life just to bring attention and some people's minds to be opened around the horrors going on in Palestine.

Only an age completely defined by selfishness can lose the awareness that giving one's life for a cause is a deep act of love or can be a deep act of love.

It's an age defined by a 24 hour news cycle where we're constantly bombarded with information.

Because of this story, I just found out that this isn't even the first time this happened.

I hadn't heard of this one at all.

The criticism isn't all out of hatred or negativity--I think it is a shame that a young man gave up his life in this way when there were a million better ways to bring attention to this issue that didn't require him setting himself on fire. His actions may influence somebody, but so could have a lot of other actions that again wouldn't require him to die.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I'm surprised the cop didn't fire, after he was black.

 

[spamking]

None of these are arguments at all as far as I can tell. That there are other possibilities is kind of a given, isn't it? I don't really see the thought you've put into this from your post frankly.

When you said this day and age though is the one part that made me think. Yeah, you're right... In this day and age defined by profound selfishness an act of martyrdom does seem insane, but that's only because we've lost any love for the other and only care about ourselves.

Whether or not he was mentally ill I don't know. But I do know that love could drive a person to this action and care for something more than yourself could drive a person to this action.

Reading through this thread, the thing that interests me most is how almost nobody can comprehend that kind of love anymore. And the saddest thing about that is that most of them probably could comprehend an act of love like that as long as it didn't conflict with their position on this topic.

So it's not an intellectual incapacity to understand the subject of martyrdom. It's a willful ignorance in protection of a pet theory or idea.

You don't really see this as some profound act of martyrdom do you?

 

[terrapin]

It might draw attention to the issue but why should anyone change their opinion because of what he did?

You use the word should and I wouldn't want to defend why someone should. But I think that's extremely narrow framing of the potential of his act.

I can tell you that the gravity of what he did has already deepened my compassion and sense of gravity around what is happening between Israel and Palestine. I will be thinking about this for a days if not months or even years . If this man is not mentally ill and he did this as a reasoned self-sacrifice then having that effect on people like me is probably is something that crossed his mind and probably something he thought would be worth the sacrifice...

And also some people will change their minds about this due to what he did. So I there is a difference between should and would in this case.

 

[Fossor]

The world is full of p̶r̶o̶t̶e̶s̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ sick people nowadays.

 

[DarthChen731]

I'm sure you would, but that's just a really pathetic use of imagination when considering all of the possibilities here. It is possible he's mentally ill, but it's also possible that he gave his life in sacrifice for a cause he deeply believed in.

You should not pretend certainty when you don't have it.

Didn't realize "I would imagine" was a statement of certainty. Fuck off.