Elections Government Voter Registration Website Has Sketchy Results - If You Like Democracy It's Time for Voter ID

[ShadowRun]

Steam?

And again, why would the federal government fund DMVs and other state offices? That's a textbook defining of perverse incentives

Streams * were not talking about DMV’s. Same way people register for selective service , same way people get SSN cards and numbers , same way people get passports. All federal

 

[idrankyourbeer]

With astute posts like this, I can see why you're rocking double yellows.

i posted a pornographic tweet when i should have known better, but good for me teehee!

anyways do you believe in the election fraud fairy too? is it still real to you right? why don't you go ahead and tell us all who rightfully won the 2020 election? sorry my dementia is kicking in a little here, what was his name again?

 

[Loiosh]

Anti-voter ID people always claim racism but always fails to mention that voter ID laws would benefit certain races who overwhelmingly vote Democrat, like Asian and Jewish people who have higher rates of voter ID than 'white' people and vote Democrat. Naturalized immigrants as well vote overwhelmingly Democrat and have valid voter ID by definition.

We point out that voter ID laws are almost always thrown out in the courts after the elections. This is because they surgically target areas where Democrats are less likely to have the ID of the specific ID that law requires (gun license but not student ID).

Why after the elections? The laws are put into place right before the elections and have to be challenged, by the time this happens the elections have passed and the damage has been done. This is the exact thing the VRA was stopping until it was gutted by the Supreme Court. The day the VRA was gutted conservatives started dropping an avalanche of suppressive laws.

Conservatives don't want "secure elections". They already have that, American elections are incredibly secure. The risk versus reward for election fraud is crippling and prohibitive, and no significant fraud has ever been discovered. One of the loudest conservative voices for election fraud is someone convicted of felony election fraud; he never warns against the fraud he was convicted for though he diverts to fantasy.

When you tell a conservative it should be easier to vote they usually say someone too lazy to jump through hoops doesn't deserve to vote, which comes close to saying the quiet part out loud. It's a poll tax and disenfranchises the poor, which has an outsized effect on POC, which is why it's called racist.

In Canada everyone gets four (paid) hours to vote, so poor people don't have to make a sacrifice they can't afford. Here in Montréal I've never had to wait more than fifteen minutes to votes, when I saw video of Americans waiting for hours it was hard to believe. Add to that conservatives prohibiting giving them water, conservative motives are pretty clear and they have nothing to do with secure elections.

 

[spamking]

The idea that early voting solves this problem assumes that shifts don't get changed or added last minute. Which happens all the time.

Would a shift change impact the entire early voting period? Wouldn't absentee ballots solve this issue?

 

[avenue94]

Would a shift change impact the entire early voting period? Wouldn't absentee ballots solve this issue?

As in people who aren't scheduled to work on election day but get a shift tossed on their schedule the week of. It's unnecessarily burdensome and would be just a partisan attempt to tilt the scales.

 

[spamking]

As in people who aren't scheduled to work on election day but get a shift tossed on their schedule the week of. It's unnecessarily burdensome and would be just a partisan attempt to tilt the scales.

And that would impact how many voters?

Regardless, absentee voting would alleviate that issue anyway.

How many different chances and/or opportunities do people who probably wouldn't vote anyway need to vote?

 

[spamking]

When you tell a conservative it should be easier to vote they usually say someone too lazy to jump through hoops doesn't deserve to vote, which comes close to saying the quiet part out loud. It's a poll tax and disenfranchises the poor, which has an outsized effect on POC, which is why it's called racist.

We've had this discussion before and I don't want to rehash it all over again . . . but, I will say that it would be nice if folks viewed all poll taxes the same for consistency's sake. The fees to exercise the 1st should align with those applied to the 2nd or they shouldn't exist for either.

 

[avenue94]

And that would impact how many voters?

Regardless, absentee voting would alleviate that issue anyway.

How many different chances and/or opportunities do people who probably wouldn't vote anyway need to vote?

That's kind of the point...to make voting as easy as possible. Certainly it would impact significantly more voters than prevent instances of fraud.

Whats even the advantage of making it harder to vote early or absentee?

 

[Loiosh]

We've had this discussion before and I don't want to rehash it all over again . . . but, I will say that it would be nice if folks viewed all poll taxes the same for consistency's sake. The fees to exercise the 1st should align with those applied to the 2nd or they shouldn't exist for either.

We have and you always ignore how the tax is applied, and why it's thrown out in court.

You also ignore this irrefutable evidence of how conservatives lie about fraud to suppress liberal votes.

 

[spamking]

That's kind of the point...to make voting as easy as possible. Certainly it would impact significantly more voters than prevent instances of fraud.

Whats even the advantage of making it harder to vote early or absentee?

All it takes is a little planning and someone (in Oklahoma) can vote very easily. We can fill out a request for absentee ballots that covers the entire calendar year and have all ballots we're eligible to vote in mailed to us. We can then drop by a UPS store to have it notarized for free and they'll mail it for us as well . . . or stop by any other notary and then drop it off at the post office. I've never been overly concerned about fraud. I can only speak for how things go in Oklahoma and have grown tired of everyone complaining about voter turnout being low, but never taking the time even to attempt to vote. Anyone who cares to vote can do so without much effort.

 

[spamking]

We have and you always ignore how the tax is applied, and why it's thrown out in court.

You also ignore this irrefutable evidence of how conservatives lie about fraud to suppress liberal votes.

Thanks for completely ignoring the content of that post and continuing to mischaracterize what I said previously. I knew it was pointless to even quote you.

 

[avenue94]

All it takes is a little planning and someone (in Oklahoma) can vote very easily. We can fill out a request for absentee ballots that covers the entire calendar year and have all ballots we're eligible to vote in mailed to us. We can then drop by a UPS store to have it notarized for free and they'll mail it for us as well . . . or stop by any other notary and then drop it off at the post office. I've never been overly concerned about fraud. I can only speak for how things go in Oklahoma and have grown tired of everyone complaining about voter turnout being low, but never taking the time even to attempt to vote. Anyone who cares to vote can do so without much effort.

So why bother changing a system that's already working? You're idea is spend money and cause other negative effects for no gain.

 

[Cajun]

This is justification for Voter ID, Day of voting, and paper ballots. Absentee Ballots should be reserved for the Military and special circumstances only. Ballot Harvesting and Drop Boxes are for those looking to have corrupt elections.

With covid election behind us that should not happen normally where there are so many absentee ballots

 

[HockeyBjj]

To vote by mail here in PA, I had to provide my valid address along with my drivers license number. These idiots act like you can request and submit a ballot with just a name.

TBF here in Illinois I did request and submit a ballot with just my name.

Name, legal address, and what addresss I wanted my ballot sent to. I entered my own address again, but anyone who knew my address could have requested my ballot be mailed to them instead. I didn't have to prove it was me at all. I wish they had some safeguard like needing a social security number or drivers license number.

 

[spamking]

So why bother changing a system that's already working? You're idea is spend money and cause other negative effects for no gain.

Does every state system mirror what we use in Oklahoma? Because that's what I'm referring to and would agree is already working. What am I wanting to be changed? What idea are you referring to and what negative effects?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

i posted a pornographic tweet when i should have known better, but good for me teehee!

anyways do you believe in the election fraud fairy too? is it still real to you right? why don't you go ahead and tell us all who rightfully won the 2020 election? sorry my dementia is kicking in a little here, what was his name again?

I don't know.

I do know that there's no way to know for sure and that 'the government investigated itself and found no wrong doing' isn't proof of anything any more than 'the police investigated themselves and found no wrong doing' and people acting like it is are not being honest with themselves.

 

[panamaican]

Wait, a voter verification system found and flagged inaccurate voter registrations.

What am I supposed to get upset about here?

 

[panamaican]

I don’t need more data. There isn’t a compelling argument that can be made against voter ID that isn’t racist.

Nearly every other country in the world requires voter ID.

We use voter ID. At the registration level. I don't understand how none of you understand this yet? You prove your identity when you get registered.

Rant: Surely no one is so stupid as to think that people just show up at the voting booth and no one checked their identity prior to that day.

Do people really think that you just tell the government that you want to vote in some random state and the government just says "Ok, go ahead," without verifying that the person making the request is who they say they are and lives where they say they live? Anyone who is believing that probably shouldn't be voting either, lol.

This thread is about a voter registration system designed to catch bad registrations, regardless of why, and is doing so effectively. The OP is pointing to a system that works as evidence that there is a problem elsewhere. It's doubly idiotic. The system flags bad registrations. If the registrations are bad and flagged then those individuals aren't registered to vote. That means they're not going to be able to vote in the election.

It's like complaining about food poisoning even though the quality check at the restaurant found and removed contaminated food before anyone could eat it. No one was poisoned but because the quality controls work, that's proof that the diners are being poisoned? It's just stupidity.

/rant

 

[jefferz]

We use voter ID. At the registration level. I don't understand how none of you understand this yet? You prove your identity when you get registered.

Rant: Surely no one is so stupid as to think that people just show up at the voting booth and no one checked their identity prior to that day.

Do people really think that you just tell the government that you want to vote in some random state and the government just says "Ok, go ahead," without verifying that the person making the request is who they say they are and lives where they say they live? Anyone who is believing that probably shouldn't be voting either, lol.

This thread is about a voter registration system designed to catch bad registrations, regardless of why, and is doing so effectively. The OP is pointing to a system that works as evidence that there is a problem elsewhere. It's doubly idiotic. The system flags bad registrations. If the registrations are bad and flagged then those individuals aren't registered to vote. That means they're not going to be able to vote in the election.

It's like complaining about food poisoning even though the quality check at the restaurant found and removed contaminated food before anyone could eat it. No one was poisoned but because the quality controls work, that's proof that the diners are being poisoned? It's just stupidity.

/rant

North Dakota doesn't even have voter registration. You'd think with the way Republicans have been talking, we would be rife with election fraud. But yet, there isn't any.

 

[Hog-train]

Anti-voter ID people always claim racism but always fails to mention that voter ID laws would benefit certain races who overwhelmingly vote Democrat, like Asian and Jewish people who have higher rates of voter ID than 'white' people and vote Democrat. Naturalized immigrants as well vote overwhelmingly Democrat and have valid voter ID by definition.

The Asian and Jewish populations are so negligible, they don't make any statistical difference.