An updated greatest all time LW list?

[Tyr XIII]

Eddie has won an undisputed world title in every promotion he's been except the one he's been in.
I love Dustin but him never being a champ hurts his resume. There's no way on a mma LW hierarchy you can place Dustin above Eddie despite Eddie being 0-1-1 (should be 0-2. Eddie should've been DQed instead of NC) against Dustin. Eddie Alvarez is a top 5 mma LW. Dustin isn't even top 10 mma LW. And Eddie was fighting when the UFC didn't have a monopoly on talent. Every promotion had top guys

no

this whole title thing is ridiculous. Just because you have or won the title doesn’t make you the best it just doesn’t work that way.

eddie won the title, big whoop. Conor didn’t deserve the title shot, got it and beat Eddie cuz Eddie is mediocre.

Dustin is better than both of them but didn’t fight for the title.

 

[cmw43]

Khabib over everyone ... check


Dustin? Never even was champion.
BJ Penn next.

Dustin Poirier should be below the top 10
never made champion

Gaethje just beat Poirier, decisively, so he should be above Dustin

Even if a guy never got the belt but had a lot of legit wins I think you need to respect their resume.

Just look at his wins:

• Chandler
• McGregor x 2
• Max Holloway x 2
• Eddie Alvarez
• Justin Gaethje
• Pettis
• Dan Hooker

You really think he's not a top 10 all time LW?

 

[GGpX]

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This one's a respectable list. I don't agree with everything, but it's good. Oliveira at 7 is the most questionable thing on there.

After the top 2 of Khabib & BJ, it becomes highly subjectable and a matter of opinion.

There used to be a thread here that had the history of all top-10 wins a fighter had in their weightclass, but it's since disappeared unfortunately. I was stunned by how many top-10 wins Eddie Alvarez had.

 

[IronGolem007]

Even if a guy never got the belt but had a lot of legit wins I think you need to respect their resume.

Just look at his wins:

• Chandler
• McGregor x 2
• Max Holloway x 2
• Eddie Alvarez
• Justin Gaethje
• Pettis
• Dan Hooker

You really think he's not a top 10 all time LW?

Buddy, you need to learn to walk the earth knowing that I don't agree with you.

I actually don't "need" to do anything.

What you just showed is not that great of a resume.

Chandler is not a great fighter.
McGregor was a flash in the pan, and could not sustain his abilities.
In McGregor's prime, he absolutely waxed Poirier.

Sure, Poirier eventually won, but he beat the multi-loser, delusional shell of McGregor (who isn't even MMA anymore he thinks he's a boxer).

Eddie Alvarez and Gaethje I don't think are "great" either, just good professionals.

Pettis is a multi-quitter, who sits down and quits the second anyone puts pressure on him.

Dan Hooker? Are you kidding me?

Yes, Poirier is good, even very good in some areas — but he is literally "great" at NOTHING.

He's not a great puncher, he's not a great kicker, he's not a great submission specialist.
He doesn't have a great chin, he gets cut all the time, and he doesn't really even have great stamina (he admitted he almost quit to the smaller Holloway by the fifth round).

He doesn't have any great winning streak, he's never even won the title (let alone defended it).

Compared to a guy like Khabib (who doesn't even lose rounds, who doesn't get cut, who doesn't get dropped, who doesn't get KO'd — and who legit DOES have truly great grappling, a truly great winning streak, and who HAS become Champion in every organization he's ever fought), the comparison is night and day.

Yes, Dustin Poirier is a very good, pretty well-accomplished professional — but I don't think he has one single TRULY GREAT characteristic as a fighter.

And I'm entitled to my opinion, as you are.

I am one of those curmudgeons who thinks "True Greatness" is NOT common. Just because a fighter wins a couple, and you like them, doesn't make them actually great.

If True Greatness were common, the phrase wouldn't mean anything.

 

[JKS]

no

this whole title thing is ridiculous. Just because you have or won the title doesn’t make you the best it just doesn’t work that way.

eddie won the title, big whoop. Conor didn’t deserve the title shot, got it and beat Eddie cuz Eddie is mediocre.

Dustin is better than both of them but didn’t fight for the title.

If you think Eddie is mediocre then you got it wrong lol. He's an elite level LW and always has been. No doubt a top 8 all time. A guy can't be mediocre considering he was a top5 LW for like a decade. He's got a great resume of wins, a very good record and won multiple titles. His win over RDA at his peak was very impressive, 1st round KO and won the UFC title. When you combine all that, the man is elite.

 

[JKS]

Buddy, you need to learn to walk the earth knowing that I don't agree with you.

I actually don't "need" to do anything.

What you just showed is not that great of a resume.

Chandler is not a great fighter.
McGregor was a flash in the pan, and could not sustain his abilities.
In McGregor's prime, he absolutely waxed Poirier.

Sure, Poirier eventually won, but he beat the multi-loser, delusional shell of McGregor (who isn't even MMA anymore he thinks he's a boxer).

Eddie Alvarez and Gaethje I don't think are "great" either, just good professionals.

Pettis is a multi-quitter, who sits down and quits the second anyone puts pressure on him.

Dan Hooker? Are you kidding me?

Yes, Poirier is good, even very good in some areas — but he is literally "great" at NOTHING.

He's not a great puncher, he's not a great kicker, he's not a great submission specialist.
He doesn't have a great chin, he gets cut all the time, and he doesn't really even have great stamina (he admitted he almost quit to the smaller Holloway by the fifth round).

He doesn't have any great winning streak, he's never even won the title (let alone defended it).

Compared to a guy like Khabib (who doesn't even lose rounds, who doesn't get cut, who doesn't get dropped, who doesn't get KO'd — and who legit DOES have truly great grappling, a truly great winning streak, and who HAS become Champion in every organization he's ever fought), the comparison is night and day.

Yes, Dustin Poirier is a very good, pretty well-accomplished professional — but I don't think he has one single TRULY GREAT characteristic as a fighter.

And I'm entitled to my opinion, as you are.

I am one of those curmudgeons who thinks "True Greatness" is NOT common. Just because a fighter wins a couple, and you like them, doesn't make them actually great.

If True Greatness were common, the phrase wouldn't mean anything.

You realize what you just did there?? By discrediting Dustin, which is ridiculous to begin with, you completely discredited Khabib along the way lol. At the end of Khabibs career, Dustin was his best win, and according to you he's not even a great fighter.

And by your characteristics of a what a great fighter is, you literally disqualify pretty much single mma fighter aside maybe a few. So according to you, there are basically no great fighters in the sport lol. What a bizarre way of thinking.

 

[IronGolem007]

You realize what you just did there?? By discrediting Dustin, which is ridiculous to begin with, you completely discredited Khabib along the way lol. At the end of Khabibs career, Dustin was his best win, and according to you he's not even a great fighter.

And by your characteristics of a what a great fighter is, you literally disqualify pretty much single mma fighter aside maybe a few. So according to you, there are basically no great fighters in the sport lol. What a bizarre way of thinking.

No I realize what you did, twist my words to your own ends.

You're right about one thing: I don't think Khabib ever met a fellow great fighter.

GSP would've been the only great fighter Khabib had ever faced.

But you're wrong, still-prime Conor was Khabib's best win.

So for you to turn to sheer idiocy, and claim that "there are no great MMA fighters" ... because I don't think Dustin is great, is just that: your own stupid conclusion.

Has nothing to do with what I actually said.

 

[checktheknuckles]

What a shit list. Conor shouldn't be anywhere near a top 50 lw list. How many wins he got at LW? And is in the top 15? GTFO casual.s

 

[checktheknuckles]

But you're wrong, still-prime Conor was Khabib's best win.

And that is such a re*arded take. Maybe it is true if you really consider the 15+ times Conor cheated in that match and yet still tapped to a submission he shouldn't have ever tapped too.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

no

this whole title thing is ridiculous. Just because you have or won the title doesn’t make you the best it just doesn’t work that way.

eddie won the title, big whoop. Conor didn’t deserve the title shot, got it and beat Eddie cuz Eddie is mediocre.

Dustin is better than both of them but didn’t fight for the title.

Either titles are important or they're not

 

[Yellowcrab]

Lol at Poirier being 3 and Makhachev way behind : what a joke list.

 

[JustBleed69]

Khabib
Charles
Edgar
Poirier
BJ

That's how I would have it.

 

[Ropeee]

Poirier overrated he is always in wars his resume ain’t that great Chandler isn't elite and didn’t beat anyone decent in UFC Holloway a FW lmao, Conman at LW lol, Green Gaethje dkm

 

[JKS]

No I realize what you did, twist my words to your own ends.

You're right about one thing: I don't think Khabib ever met a fellow great fighter.

GSP would've been the only great fighter Khabib had ever faced.

But you're wrong, still-prime Conor was Khabib's best win.

So for you to turn to sheer idiocy, and claim that "there are no great MMA fighters" ... because I don't think Dustin is great, is just that: your own stupid conclusion.

Has nothing to do with what I actually said.

My overall point was that you're way too overly critical of fighters and there is something that something is off with your way of thinking. When you take a fighter like Poirier and completely discredit his entire resume and shit on all his opponents you're basically creating a false idea of a what a great fighter should be. There is no one fighter that has a perfect resume that can't be criticized. It doesn't exist. So yah, that's why I said based on how you think, there really aren't many great fighters, and that would be according to you. Why don't you tell me who you think are great fighters?? I personally think there are many great fighters including Poirier and guys like that.

And sorry my friend, but Poirier over Conor. That's Khabibs best win at the time.

 

[Makani]

BJ should have retired after Nick Diaz beat his fucking ass all over the octagon.

He should have retired after Jon Fitch pounded his ass for the entire third round of the fight. Fitch getting a 10-8 against you should be your pink slip on a pole. I'd be a much happier person.

 

[TR1]

Conor doesn't belong on any list with his what.....1 win at 155?

 

[Fight Professor]

Khabib
BJ Penn
Benson
Frankie
Eddie
Islam
Charles
RDA
Gomi
Melendez
Gaethje
Poirier

 

[jeff7b9]

He should have retired after Jon Fitch pounded his ass for the entire third round of the fight. Fitch getting a 10-8 against you should be your pink slip on a pole. I'd be a much happier person.

He had only lost to champs/hall of farmers at that point.

For a fighter who comfortably made 145 to go up to 170 and out grapple elite WW grapplers in their prime was insane. Nobody at 170 besides GSP had taken fitch down and held Jon Fitch down, and Fitch had been fighting ranked WWs for years at that point. BJ outwrestled prime Jon Fitch for 2 rounds.

If BJ would have taken his training and cardio seriously he had an unreal amount of talent. But sadly he preferred to have yes men who would enable him to be lazy.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Alvarez’s resume is pretty nuts. Wins over Gaethje, RDA, Showtime, Melendez, Shinya Aoki, Chandler, Patricky Pitbull, Pat Curran, Josh Neer…
2-time Bellator LW champ, 1 defense; UFC LW champ as well. He’s absolutely top 5 all time imo.

Back in the day Eddie was ranked #3 behind Penn at #1 and Aoki at #2 and he outlasted those guys at the top by a big margin and eventually became #1 himself in a deeper era. I think Aoki himself is probably underrated too. I like Poirier but I think he's overrated because of recency bias and the popularity boost from fighting Conor and Khabib. He is very good but IMO I rank guys like Tony and RDA ahead of him.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He had only lost to champs/hall of farmers at that point.

For a fighter who comfortably made 145 to go up to 170 and out grapple elite WW grapplers in their prime was insane. Nobody at 170 besides GSP had taken fitch down and held Jon Fitch down, and Fitch had been fighting ranked WWs for years at that point. BJ outwrestled prime Jon Fitch for 2 rounds.

If BJ would have taken his training and cardio seriously he had an unreal amount of talent. But sadly he preferred to have yes men who would enable him to be lazy.

I think Fitch is a bit overrated in hindsight but nonetheless he was a big WW and he was consistent at the higher levels so BJ outgrappling him like that was nuts. I was so mad that he got squished in that 3rd round, I kept thinking that at least if BJ could get up and score something he could lose the 3rd 10-9 and win the fight but nope.

That's the thing though, BJ messing around at other weights kind of hurts his LW legacy.

Evan Dunham was robbed lol

If a fight went down like that today the right man would win I think.