Arab-Israeli Conflict, v2: What the UN Jerusalem vote mean for Israel, the U.S, and Palestine

[abiG]

Don't make it so easy

Over the next few days, contingents of four of the seven countries of the Arab League at that time, namely Egypt (1), Iraq(2), Transjordan(3), and Syria(4), invaded territory in the former British Mandate of Palestine and fought the Israelis. They were supported by the Arab Liberation Army and corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia(5), Lebanon (6)and Yemen (7). The Arab armies launched a simultaneous offensive on all fronts, Egypt forces invaded from south, Jordanian and Iraqi forces invaded from east, while Syrian forces invaded from north.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war#Arab_Invasion

Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia. Anyone can edit it.

النكبة The Nakba

Exactly!

 

[PainIsLIfe]

1 man, in a speech in the 1980s..... That's your supporting evidence that Israel as a whole says they shot first in the 6 Day War.

Israel said they launched a pre-emptive strike in '67.

Egypt was amassing troops on the border and had already threatened to shut down the Straits of Tiran though, so they were about to set off the war anyway - Israel just beat them to the punch.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I am not denying that. Prior to zionism they lived for the most part quite peacefully with their Arab hosts.

That's like saying prior to the civil rights movement blacks lived for the most part quite peacefully with their white hosts.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

but seriously UN website hard to search. i just want to see list countries who vote yes and no. wtf so hard to find

You just need the resolution number:

http://www.un.org/en/sc/meetings/searchvote.asp


Doesn't look like it's posted yet.

 

[abiG]

That's like saying prior to the civil rights movement blacks lived for the most part quite peacefully with their white hosts.

No. Learn actual history which you cannot achieve through wikipedia.

There are multiple sources from those who were there. I purposely chose a Jewish source.

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time.

Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in Common: Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Hebron, is a depressing one. Originally released in English, the book — which is being published in Hebrew — paints a picture of a shared life between Palestinians and Jews at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries, bringing us face to face with daily life, commerce, education, celebrations, and sadness. It shows that us this kind existence, despite everything we were taught by the Israeli education system, is possible....

Klein debunks the myth according to which the residents of the country before the advent Zionism or the Arab national movement lacked all identity. Instead, he describes a lively and vivacious community with its own traditions and customs, bringing testimonies from Jews, Muslims and foreigners as proof.
Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians | +972 Magazine

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I was thinking more about the "You are with us or with the terrorists" when you went unilaterally into Iraq and ran away with tucked tail from there the world realized that the only world superpower wasnt really that scary.
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Rod's post are usually on the mark; not sure how he missed so badly on this one...

Dude, we hung around for a while to try to put the place back together, but finally realized that they didn't want schools, hospitals, and a civilized society so we left.

 

[GSP_37]

Cut aid then. They have enough money to afford their own high priced ho's.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia. Anyone can edit it.


Exactly!

If you scroll to the bottom there's a shit ton of references - and I can't exactly point to quotes from history books lying around the house.

(2002), The Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Palestine War 1948, Osprey, ISBN 978-1-84176-372-9



Ma'an Abu Nawar, The Jordanian-Israeli war, 1948–1951: a history of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, p. 393


"TRANS-JORDAN: Chess Player & Friend". Time. 16 February 1948. Retrieved 20 April 2010.

 

[splendica]

No. Learn actual history which you cannot achieve through wikipedia.

There are multiple sources from those who were there. I purposely chose a Jewish source.

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time.

Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in Common: Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Hebron, is a depressing one. Originally released in English, the book — which is being published in Hebrew — paints a picture of a shared life between Palestinians and Jews at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries, bringing us face to face with daily life, commerce, education, celebrations, and sadness. It shows that us this kind existence, despite everything we were taught by the Israeli education system, is possible....

Klein debunks the myth according to which the residents of the country before the advent Zionism or the Arab national movement lacked all identity. Instead, he describes a lively and vivacious community with its own traditions and customs, bringing testimonies from Jews, Muslims and foreigners as proof.
Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians | +972 Magazine

You are begging for a shredding of your revisionist history. I hope you read your own articles including this one.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

No. Learn actual history which you cannot achieve through wikipedia.

There are multiple sources from those who were there. I purposely chose a Jewish source.

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time.

Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in Common: Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Hebron, is a depressing one. Originally released in English, the book — which is being published in Hebrew — paints a picture of a shared life between Palestinians and Jews at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries, bringing us face to face with daily life, commerce, education, celebrations, and sadness. It shows that us this kind existence, despite everything we were taught by the Israeli education system, is possible....

Klein debunks the myth according to which the residents of the country before the advent Zionism or the Arab national movement lacked all identity. Instead, he describes a lively and vivacious community with its own traditions and customs, bringing testimonies from Jews, Muslims and foreigners as proof.
Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians | +972 Magazine

Speaking of learning something:


Dhimmi had fewer legal and social rights than Muslims, but more rights than other non-Muslim religious subjects.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Dhimmi





Dhimmitude is a more recently developed broader term implying those in a non-Islamic dominated society who are being intimidated or terrorized in some manner and are accordingly fearful of taking action to counteract their condition.

https://sites.google.com/site/islamicthreatsimplified/what-is-a-dhimmi--a-kafir



-Ayatollah Khomeini in his book "On Islamic Government" indicates unequivocally that non-Muslims should be required to pay the poll tax, in return for which they would profit from the protection and services of the state; they would, however, be excluded from all participation in the political process. Bernard Lewis remarks about Khomeini that his main grievance against the Shah was that his legislation allowed the theoretical possibility of non-Muslims exercising political or judicial authority over Muslims



-Dr. Zakir Naik, a prominent Islamic preacher from India has stated that "as far as the matters of religion are concerned we know for sure that only Islam is the true religion in the eyes of God. In 3:85 it is mentioned that God will never accept any religion other than Islam. As far as the second question regarding building of churches or temples is concerned, how can we allow this when their religion is wrong? And when worship is also wrong? Thus we will surely not allow such wrong things in our (i.e. an Islamic) country."

Hukuma Islamiyya, n.p. (Beirut), n.d., pp. 30ff.; Vilayat-i Faqih, n.p., n.d., pp. 35ff.; English version (from the Arabic), Islamic Government (U.S. Joint Publications Research Service 72663, 1979), pp. 22ff.; French version (from the Persian), Pour un gouvernement islamique (Paris, 1979), pp. 31ff. Another version in Hamid Algar, Islam and Revolution: Writings and Declarations of Imam Khomeini (Berkeley, 1981), pp. 45ff.​

 

[MikeMcMann]

No. Learn actual history which you cannot achieve through wikipedia.

There are multiple sources from those who were there. I purposely chose a Jewish source.

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time.

Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in Common: Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Hebron, is a depressing one. Originally released in English, the book — which is being published in Hebrew — paints a picture of a shared life between Palestinians and Jews at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries, bringing us face to face with daily life, commerce, education, celebrations, and sadness. It shows that us this kind existence, despite everything we were taught by the Israeli education system, is possible....

Klein debunks the myth according to which the residents of the country before the advent Zionism or the Arab national movement lacked all identity. Instead, he describes a lively and vivacious community with its own traditions and customs, bringing testimonies from Jews, Muslims and foreigners as proof.
Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians | +972 Magazine

Yes this is pretty accurate.

The conflict is not truly between Israel (The Jews) and the Palestinians and that is why nothing Israel does or negotiates ever had a true chance of creating a peace with the Palestinians. The conflict is one between the Arab's and both the Jews and Palestinian peoples and the Arab's want NEITHER to have a homeland on their borders and as such will fund whatever amount they need to, to ensure no peace is achieved.

A stable Jewish and Palestine on the Arab country borders and not fighting one another is a nightmare for them as there is more 'disputed' lands in the Arab countries, including where there are significant Oil deposits and the focus would then be on getting the Arab's to concede those lands. Better to keep them fighting over a tiny sliver of land with no resources.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The Arabs thought they would win in less than the twinkling of an eye and that it would take no more than a day or two from the time the Arab armies crossed the border until all the colonies were conquered and the enemy would throw down his arms and cast himself on their mercy.

By the end of January1948, the exodus was so alarming the Palestine Arab Higher Committee asked neighboring Arab countries to refuse visas to these refugees and to seal the borders against them.

Meanwhile, Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel. The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal on October 2, 1947:

We will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both [Jews and Arabs]. It is now, here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals.​

al-Nakba: Nakbat Bayt al-Maqdis wal-firdaws al-mafqud - Aref el-Aref

 

[Arkain2K]

And here again with the hubris.

Want to have a sig bet that no major aid will be pulled because of this?



And little by little the US is becoming a nation that barks loudly.

"We will be taking names" "We will put aid"

Sure buddy, im pretty sure you will.

This.

Im willing to sig bet with any 10k+ post account that the US will do fooking nuthin.

Trump is all.



And everyone is.

Oh yeah? I got $20 here that say U.S foreign aid budget for 2018 gonna take a major hit compare to 2017. Pick your favorite Mod, we can both send the money in for escrow.

 

[SammyPops]

I am floored that the zionist lobby did not force my govt to vote in favour of UN motion.

 

[Rod1]

Oh yeah? I got $20 here that say U.S foreign aid budget for 2018 gonna take a major hit compare to 2017. Pick your favorite Mod, we can both send the money in for escrow.

Define a "major hit".

 

[HockeyBjj]

Please just cut all aid. Why the fuck are we giving away American taxpayer money to foreign governments?

This has always incredibly frustrated me about the budget

 

[Videer]

Meh. There will be no peace deal with current leaders who are wimps that are more than happy to maintain the current situation because they are too afraid to try anything else.

 

[BassAckwards]

It would be worse for Israel that way. America is their automatic veto

the UN cant do anything w/o the US; they need us to not just to bank role the UN but to also be the muscle.

 

[Rholk]

These days it seems like the UN is only good at enforcing anything it wants to do on weak, often african nations that the big countries don't care that much about.
Anything regarding one of the big five nations or one of its allies gets veto'd anyway.
The intention behind the UN is good but it is bound to fail on almost all major issues

 

[KantoTerror]

Oh yeah? I got $20 here that say U.S foreign aid budget for 2018 gonna take a major hit compare to 2017. Pick your favorite Mod, we can both send the money in for escrow.

Trump knows where to get budget for that wall....from his own words...."it will be perfect" "we're going to be perfect"