Can ALL voices in a society be heard?

[TheGreatA]

Ask Czar Nicholas how that worked out.

The poor didn't really give much of a shit about the Czar. It was the relatively new class of students and labourers (the result of industrialization and city-building) which had grown in power, that were mostly responsible for his ousting.

Life for the poor in Russia remained as shit as it ever was, before and after the revolution. Perhaps worse after, since collectivization caused most of the poor to starve to death, or be put in labour camps (amounting to about the same).

 

[panamaican]

The poor didn't really give much of a shit about the Czar. It was the relatively new class of students and labourers (the result of industrialization and city-building) which had grown in power, that were mostly responsible for his ousting.

Life for the poor in Russia remained as shit as it ever was, before and after the revolution. Perhaps worse after, since collectivization caused most of the poor to starve to death, or be put in labour camps (amounting to about the same).

The vast majority of the 19th and 20th century revolutions had nothing to do with the poor. Like you noted, it's students, mid-level laborers and newly minted professional classes that drive these changes. Finding yourself with time, knowledge and money but no political voice seems to be the magic formula for overthrowing your government.

 

[spamking]

You ruined it by dropping religious. Am fine with dropping conservative though.

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean we're small or close minded . . . some of us actually believe in science and/or work in science-related fields.

 

[TheGreatA]

The vast majority of the 19th and 20th century revolutions had nothing to do with the poor. Like you noted, it's students, mid-level laborers and newly minted professional classes that drive these changes. Finding yourself with time, knowledge and money but no political voice seems to be the magic formula for overthrowing your government.

The truly poor rarely ever have a voice because they've essentially become social outcasts. They don't take part in politics, day-to-day survival takes up their time. Even in Finland, despite social welfare (which one merely has to apply for), we have homeless people who don't really care about anything that happens around them.

As you say, it is usually the people who reside on a scale above the poor, but below the rich, that make such changes happen.

You cannot truly expect changes from the rich, nor the poor. It's the medium that determines which way a society will proceed towards.

Of course, the labourers and students often account themselves as belonging to the ranks of the poor, but since they have a house and food on their tables, they're not truly "poor" in the same sense as a person living in poverty. They still possess enough power and wealth to actually find the time to invest into politics and such things.

 

[CauseImbetta]

Well, banding together is what you are supposed to do to try to make your voice heard.

If enough people band together it becomes a community, movement, party, union, religion, whatever.

Evangelical Christians have been "banding together" around issues for decades, and politicians have pandered to them as a result.

If you don't want to listen to someone, or some group, as a private citizen, fine, that's your right, but the job of a politician is to listen to and represent his or her constituents.

What if it tears at the fabric of society?

 

[panamaican]

What if it tears at the fabric of society?

History has shown over and over again that nothing tears at the fabric of a society more than having people who don't feel listened to.

 

[CauseImbetta]

History has shown over and over again that nothing tears at the fabric of a society more than having people who don't feel listened to.

Good point.

 

[luckyshot]

What if it tears at the fabric of society?

If the fabric of a society tears whenever a so-called "marginalized" (whether rightly or wrongly) class of people make their voice heard then it is a rigid and oppressive society.

 

[SammyPops]

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean we're small or close minded . . . some of us actually believe in science and/or work in science-related fields.

You are much more likely to tell others what they can/should do, with the justification that its a god/holy book etc thing.

 

[spamking]

You are much more likely to tell others what they can/should do, with the justification that its a god/holy book etc thing.

I most certainly am not . . . I may offer an opinion on something I disagree with but you and everyone else has the ability to make your own decisions. I don't need the bible as justification to speak out against stupidity or ignorance.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

Usa is not true democracy. It's an oligarchy.

True democracy is like Canada and Britain, parliamentary system. Switzerland, direct democracy. The happiest countries in the world.

Countries that are over 75% white are the happiest in the world? I don't fucking believe this!!!!

 

[Rod1]

No, and that is for the best.

The same reason why democracy as a concept is largely abstract and wonky in practice.

Republics are democracies with a Constitution.

 

[milliniar]

Even if they could vocal ones get more attention wether majority or minority

 

[Rod1]

Countries that are over 75% white are the happiest in the world? I don't fucking believe this!!!!

Russia is 90% white. Most of eastern europe is 90% plus white.

Take your stupid racism elsewhere

 

[Ice That Jaw]

Russia is 90% white. Most of eastern europe is 90% plus white.

Take your stupid racism elsewhere

Hey racist, how are hetrogenous (mostly non white) countries with socialist heavy policies doing?

 

[therealdope]

i mean technically yes, t

doesn't mean people have to take you seriously or value your opinion.

this^^^.

The Decency Doctrine/Principle calls for 3 things:

- everyone has a voice
- there are rules, and they are enforced
- the rules apply to everyone.

 

[Rod1]

Hey racist, how are hetrogenous (mostly non white) countries with socialist heavy policies doing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Whats racist about being racist you ask?

 

[livingdeadmoose]

No, and that is for the best.

The same reason why democracy as a concept is largely abstract and wonky in practice.

That is why we are a constitutional republic and not a direct democracy.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Then they band together, scream with picket signs and call you a nazi.

or

not all people who protest, or their causes, are the same. just as you're whining about being called a nazi lol.

a straight democracy does not work, as you seem to be asking in the op. but...a constitutional republic is designed to protect any type of minority, even if 99% of the population wants to do bad shit to them. and really, if we wanted a straight democracy now, we could have one. modern tech would easily allow for citizens to set opinions on topics in some computer program that automatically votes for them. of course there are problems with that, but to answer your question in the OP, it is possible.