Canadian Business Man Annihilates Republican Congressman Over Single Payer

[AnGrYcRoW]

11% of your federal dollars go to UHC transfers. Then remember, Canada does not have a "national health plan" we have 10 -- each province runs the cost allocation and the bulk of their funding comes from provincial taxation. Standard rule is 24.5 percent of your provincal income tax (add in sales and property and sin -- which would make it more). But you can view your provinces revenue and spending breakdown to see what percentage of your income tax went to what.

The US spends far more per person on Healthcare then Canada this is not arguable it is a fact

Where does that extra money go ? 900 per person to admin which is nuts

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries
Pearson: A large amount of higher overall hospital spending in the U.S. can be explained by services costing more in U.S. hospitals rather than because U.S. hospitals are delivering more services. When we look across a broad range of hospital services (both medical and surgical), the average price in the United States is 85 percent higher than the average in other OECD countries. To put this in perspective, a hospital stay in the United States costs over $18,000 on average. The countries that come closest to spending as much — Canada, the Netherlands, Japan — spend between $4,000 and $6,000 less per stay. Across OECD countries, the average cost of a hospital stay is about one-third that of the U.S., at $6,200.

 

[luckyshot]

This is why you're supposed to buy insurance when you're young and well. Insurance is a waste of money until you need it, that's how it's supposed to work.

No profit making auto insurance company would insure a wreck either. That Canadian is no business man if he doesn't understand this.

And that’s why we have laws that make it illegal to drive without insurance... to create risk pools of adequate size.

But somehow no one screams “Obamacare oh mug gawd communism!!!” about having to have car insurance.

Funny.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The US spends far more per person on Healthcare then Canada this is not arguable it is a fact

Where does that extra money go ? 900 per person to admin which is nuts

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries
Pearson: A large amount of higher overall hospital spending in the U.S. can be explained by services costing more in U.S. hospitals rather than because U.S. hospitals are delivering more services. When we look across a broad range of hospital services (both medical and surgical), the average price in the United States is 85 percent higher than the average in other OECD countries. To put this in perspective, a hospital stay in the United States costs over $18,000 on average. The countries that come closest to spending as much — Canada, the Netherlands, Japan — spend between $4,000 and $6,000 less per stay. Across OECD countries, the average cost of a hospital stay is about one-third that of the U.S., at $6,200.

Dude, i am not arguing that the US spends more of its GDP than Canada on health care -- but their gross revenue generation is competely different. Way more of your income tax goes to HC in Canada. Why do you think provincial taxes are so much higher compared to state taxes in the US?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR PEOPLE TO ADMIT THAT OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS AN ABJECT FAILURE BY ANY REASONABLE MEASUREMENT?

This argument has been debunked numerous times.

How about effective care? The US ranks 3rd while Canada is 7th. Patient centered? The US ranks 4th while Canada is 8th. Timeliness? The US ranks 5th to Canada's 11th.

I could arbitrarily set what ever standard I want (just as they did) to be more important to prove that our healthcare system is the best.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Dude, i am not arguing that the US spends more of its GDP than Canada on health care -- but their gross revenue generation is competely different. Way more of your income tax goes to HC in Canada. Why do you think provincial taxes are so much higher compared to state taxes in the US?

I'm not talking about GDP , I'm talking about how much is actually spent, and obviously more of my tax dollars go to Healthcare in Canada as that is how we pay for our health care.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I'm not talking about GDP , I'm talking about how much is actually spent, and obviously more of my tax dollars go to Healthcare in Canada as that is how we pay for our health care.

The graph you posted was referencing percent of GDP

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

The graph you posted was referencing percent of GDP

I've also mentioned actual dollars spent and provided sources, how about providing a source for your figures

 

[oldshadow]

So far I have see nothing assuring that I will get as good as for the same price I pay now with unversal heath care.That includes wait time and seeing specialists.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I've also mentioned actual dollars spent and provided sources, how about providing a source for your figures

Ok, why would you preface "America spends the most" with a graph outlaying GDP and then say "im not talking about GDP"

Sure -- https://www.google.ca/url?q=https:/...BBqwQFggPMAE&usg=AOvVaw3nxhUm51GnR0CTkL2XJSL8

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Ask yourself this, the entry to 1% level income in Canada is 380k, they will pay roughly 53 k a year in taxes just for healthcare -- why would anyone go to the states for Health Care if they are already paying 50k + a year for HC in their own country (not to mention the uber rich who are paying 6 figures plus)

Because they can skip lines and many times they go to vacation in the US and are already there so they can get it done on a couple days notice rather than wait back home.

They have no choice in paying the taxes but they can choose to get it done quicker for more money.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

So far I have see nothing assuring that I will get as good as for the same price I pay now with unversal heath care.That includes wait time and seeing specialists.

What HMO do you have? What is your monthly payment and your deductible?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Because they can skip lines and many times they go to vacation in the US and are already there so they can get it done on a couple days notice rather than wait back home.

They have no choice in paying the taxes but they can choose to get it done quicker for more money.

They go because it's quicker and better quality -- as seen by the rankings. Majority of the visits out of that 65k were intensive procedures -- it's not like Betty is in Hawaii and says "I may was well get that brain tumor removed inbetween the spa and beach visit"

 

[oldshadow]

What HMO do you have? What is your monthly payment and your deductible?

I have a nation insurance.

I pay about 500. a month.

My deductible is 350 or 700 max for family.

Doctor visits are a 20 copay.

I dont need a note for a specialist and can get in fast.

Wife had a 5 hour operation a little while ago and total cost was about 1,000. I had a stay in the hospital with an operation a couple of years ago and it also cost about 1,000 total.

We still need health care reforms but I'm not convinced single payer is the answer.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

They go because it's quicker and better quality -- as seen by the rankings. Majority of the visits out of that 65k were intensive procedures -- it's not like Betty is in Hawaii and says "I may was well get that brain tumor removed inbetween the spa and beach visit"

Every ranking Ive seen lists Murkan healthcare as inferior to Canadian. Perhaps source these rankings you are talking about?

WHO 2017: Canada- 30, US-37

Legatum Prosperity Index- Canada-16, US-32

US might have better quality for the doctors of the richest but in general it doesnt. Being quicker is probably true although there are also long-wait times in the US in certain regions where they have a scarcity of providers like in Wyoming. AS far as cost, it isnt even debatable, Murkan healthcare costs WAYYY more than another country and Murkans are conditioned by the oligarchs and healthcare community to believe that they pay more because the quality is so much better, but thats not really born out by the data.

There are Murkan plans where people pay 300$ per month and still have a 5k deductible they have to pay before the HMO will start to pay anything

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Every ranking Ive seen lists Murkan healthcare as inferior to Canadian. Perhaps source these rankings you are talking about?

WHO 2017: Canada- 30, US-37

Legatum Prosperity Index- Canada-16, US-32

US might have better quality for the doctors of the richest but in general it doesnt. Being quicker is probably true although there are also long-wait times in the US in certain regions where they have a scarcity of providers like in Wyoming. AS far as cost, it isnt even debatable, Murkan healthcare costs WAYYY more than another country and Murkans are conditioned by the oligarchs and healthcare community to believe that they pay more because the quality is so much better, but thats not really born out by the data.

There are Murkan plans where people pay 300$ per month and still have a 5k deductible they have to pay before the HMO will start to pay anything

Dude, you read the op, right? Look at charts and the sections that focus on specific quality of service US beats canada on every metric.

 

[Grenz]

Somewhat on a sidenote: as an English speaking Canadian living in Montreal (same city where Crowder shot his vid),I can attest to the fact that Crowder egregiously misrepresented the system here. I've had both a major surgery and a child birth here, and the service we received was nothing like what Crowder would have you believe. The system isn't perfect, but Crowder misrepresented it as some broken third world like shitshow, and it's nothing like that in reality.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Dude, you read the op, right? Look at charts and the sections that focus on specific quality of service US beats canada on every metric.

Yet that chart still ranks Canada above the US despite the US having better 'patient-centered-care'

Wonder why?

Also why does every other ranking have Canada above the US including the most important one the WHO?

 

[xcvbn]

Nowhere in the world is there a free health insurance market that works, and that's because no profit making company would willingly insure a sick person or an old person.

It's really just as simple as that.

The only way to insure old or sick people is with a risk pool, and the only way to reliably get a risk pool big enough to be affordable is single payer.

It's really a simple A, B, C argument to which there is no response because nowhere in the world does a free market healthcare system work.




The only counter-argument that the GOP has is the lie that "many Canadians and Europeans" come to American for healthcare. That is just a statistical lie, as pointed out in the video.

And please don't post that Stephen Crowder abomination where he goes to Canada and makes a video about how he can't get treated for his sore vagina on a Sunday. The truth is that satisfaction with healthcare is higher in all UH countries than it is in the United States.

WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR PEOPLE TO ADMIT THAT OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS AN ABJECT FAILURE BY ANY REASONABLE MEASUREMENT?

If there was ever an issue to be a "single issue voter" on, this is the one. Being guaranteed to be able to get medical treatment when you are sick, without going bankrupt, seems pretty central to the whole "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" thing. Not to mention, most of us with insurance in the US are pissing away way too much of our paychecks for it.

I like how all those graphs tell me the Canadian system is hardly, if at all, better. The only thing that pops out to me is that their health care is just as bad as America's but for half the price.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Yet that chart still ranks Canada above the US despite the US having better 'patient-centered-care'

Wonder why?

Also why does every other ranking have Canada above the US including the most important one the WHO?

Because they factor in accessibility to the masses and out of pocket costs. If they included personal income tax as "out of pocket cost" which it is, you are paying for it -- the data would be skewed. Canada wins because if you're a jobless bum, you still get access. I guess you can consider that a win.

Nevertheless -- the actual treatment you get in the states is better. Rankings in the OP demonstrate this.

Show me the WHO ranking broken down by category

 

[Liquid Smoke]

And that’s why we have laws that make it illegal to drive without insurance... to create risk pools of adequate size.

But somehow no one screams “Obamacare oh mug gawd communism!!!” about having to have car insurance.

Funny.

Wrong. In MA, the first state to have commie health insurance, you must carry coverage of other the driver's loss if you're at fault. Insuring your own car is optional. This is because you're risking other people's property by driving. There's nothing analogous to the commie health care.

And, here's the kicker, no one gets it for free!

Funny.