Law Colorado Baker (apparently the only one) back in court.

[ObamaPhoneLady]

There are a lot of "LGBT lifestyles", man. Have you been getting pop ads for gay cruises like @Ripskater?

Log on Grindr, get a big pop-up about (essentially) how I shouldn't only fuck white people. Oh, there's a new feature for pronouns lol: "Your Highness". Back out of app and wait 20 minutes. Check back to find at least 20+ messages (including pics that weren't requested) from 20+ people (two-thirds of them closeted and probs lean right politically, some of them couples - weird, but better than cheating) within a square mile and all ready and willing to suck my dick, lick my balls, eat my... this is sexual liberalization and it's of the highest moral standard you can possibly imagine.

It's just one lifestyle though and gets kind of boring; empty like. You should support gay marriage for the people who actually want to settle down.

Wait, you're gay?

 

[Bargey]

Baker should countersue the Colorado Government for malicious prosecution. Go for a 9 figure lawsuit and send it all the way up to SCOTUS.

These people and those like them need to be sent a deterrent message.

 

[Sketch]

So let me get this straight, this baker refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding and it's ok with conservatives as it's a private business, however when youtube, another private business, bans Alex Jones for clear ToS violations, it's an egregious offensive and the government should get involved?

Yes.

 

[NoDak]

Wait, you're gay?

No, bisexual.

 

[Sketch]

I bet this guy is wishing he'd just baked that fuckin cake lol

 

[Sketch]

The instance in the OP is one of many situations, in case you didn't know.

Would you say it's an epidemic?

 

[Pelosi2020]

It was for a birthday party after they recently transitioned.

That statement right there is kind of why this is an issue and not just a frivolous law suit. Few people are mentally "normal", the problem is he doesn't agree with this particular brand of abnormal.

Tranny is a mental illness by medical definition. Normal people shouldn’t be encouraging illnesses.

 

[Sketch]

My guy, you need to put warnings for this stuff. My neighbors are probably going to come knocking. I'm howling.

 

[Fugazy]

Well you can apply the same logic to the social media ban, since I was responding to a poster who was responding to a comment about the right wing outrage over Alex Jones' banning.

"Alex Jones can talk about any number of different things on his show instead of damaging conspiracy theories, Youtube didn't ban him for talking about NFL fantasy football lineups."

You can't both be in favor of the baker's refusal and against Alex Jones' banning unless you are a massive hypocrite.

It's not quite an apples to apples comparison.

It's also possible to dislike the banning of Jones while recognizing that it was legal.

 

[Fugazy]

Great. You just gave them 99 lives.

100/10. Sweet post dude.

 

[Renard]

I was just responding to your post where you said,


I don't think a pink cake counts as some artistic endeavor any more than asking for extra cheese at Subway, though I guess that's a bad example since they are technically "sandwich artists". Definitely sounds like an excuse because he doesn't want to serve gay people if he has an option.

The court's ruling was worded so that it would protect religious rights as well as the rights of gay and trans people.

Your argument is basically "They only commissioned the artist to paint a demon - it's not like they asked for a pornographic painting or something." That's not even relevant. Either the artist can legally turn down requests or they can't, it doesn't matter if you personally agree with their reasoning. They can, and that's the principle that's applied here.
How would you even realistically enforce mandated labour as a legal principle? I just show up at the bakery, ask the baker for a cake of a squirrel fucking Spongebob in the ass with a dildo, and the baker's just like "Oh well, I guess I'm making this Spongebob cake now." Yeah, that's not happening, that's why the law doesn't work this way.

 

[Slick_36]

Your argument is basically "They only commissioned the artist to paint a demon - it's not like they asked for a pornographic painting or something." That's not even relevant. Either the artist can legally turn down requests or they can't, it doesn't matter if you personally agree with their reasoning. They can, and that's the principle that's applied here.
How would you even realistically enforce mandated labour as a legal principle? I just show up at the bakery, ask the baker for a cake of a squirrel fucking Spongebob in the ass with a dildo, and the baker's just like "Oh well, I guess I'm making this Spongebob cake now." Yeah, that's not happening, that's why the law doesn't work this way.

It's a blue cake with pink frosting. Just say what it is, not a demon, a dildo, or squirrel fucking.

 

[Renard]

It's a blue cake with pink frosting. Just say what it is, not a demon, a dildo, or squirrel fucking.

You just repeated the same thing. We're talking about principles that are to be applied across the board, if we change the law and mandate labour on this one, we're mandating labour on all the weird stuff too. Seems to me like your frame is "This baker is using a loophole to discriminate against trans/gay people." My frame is that the state shouldn't have the power to force people to spend hours working on creative projects that they hate and don't want to do. I'm not religious, it's an issue of liberty and autonomy for me. I'm an OK artist, I can't imagine being forced to draw something I don't want to.

Here are some examples of the baker's cakes. They're not sloppy sandwiches an idiot at Subway slapped together in 30 seconds, there's hours put in that work.

 

[Ripskater]

Here are some examples of the baker's cakes. They're not sloppy sandwiches an idiot at Subway slapped together in 30 seconds, there's hours put in that work.

Artists put their heart and soul into what they do.

 

[djacobox372]

You just repeated the same thing. We're talking about principles that are to be applied across the board, if we change the law and mandate labour on this one, we're mandating labour on all the weird stuff too. Seems to me like your frame is "This baker is using a loophole to discriminate against trans/gay people." My frame is that the state shouldn't have the power to force people to spend hours working on creative projects that they hate and don't want to do. I'm not religious, it's an issue of liberty and autonomy for me. I'm an OK artist, I can't imagine being forced to draw something I don't want to.

Here are some examples of the baker's cakes. They're not sloppy sandwiches an idiot at Subway slapped together in 30 seconds, there's hours put in that work.

You think that's art? LOL

A quality paint job on a bumper at an auto-shop takes more skill.

 

[Slick_36]

You just repeated the same thing. We're talking about principles that are to be applied across the board, if we change the law and mandate labour on this one, we're mandating labour on all the weird stuff too. Seems to me like your frame is "This baker is using a loophole to discriminate against trans/gay people." My frame is that the state shouldn't have the power to force people to spend hours working on creative projects that they hate and don't want to do. I'm not religious, it's an issue of liberty and autonomy for me. I'm an OK artist, I can't imagine being forced to draw something I don't want to.

Here are some examples of the baker's cakes. They're not sloppy sandwiches an idiot at Subway slapped together in 30 seconds, there's hours put in that work.

Is it forced labor when you require a store to serve someone who is black? I get when it comes to art it is subjecitive, I consider myself an artist as well, albeit a poor one. I think your pictures only further serve the point that a simple blue cake with pink frosting would be a, wait for it, cake walk for him. It's an incredibly simple request and isn't obscene nor connected to his religion. I think this comes down to subjective reasoning.

 

[Dirt Road Soldier]

You think that's art? LOL

A quality paint job on a bumper at an auto-shop takes more skill.

See the roses in that top picture? That's hand painted. The guys a highly skilled artist. '

Also, any dimwit can learn to paint a bumper. It's crazy simple once you get the hang of it.

 

[Renard]

Is it forced labor when you require a store to serve someone who is black? I get when it comes to art it is subjecitive, I consider myself an artist as well, albeit a poor one. I think your pictures only further serve the point that a simple blue cake with pink frosting would be a, wait for it, cake walk for him. It's an incredibly simple request and isn't obscene nor connected to his religion. I think this comes down to subjective reasoning.

I'm talking about principles and how a law mandating labour would work on the large scale (hint: it doesn't). Your arguments aren't coherent at all. Derp derp y u no serve black people. I think we're done here.

 

[NoDak]

Yeah I do. Trans people are just a minority group the bigots can use slurs against without drawing widespread ire at this moment in time. Throwing out "tranny" is just a means of casually dehumanzing trans people. Same way you could say the f bomb (gay slur) more casually like 5-10 years back.

It's more of a slang term than outright derogatory slur, but you're right in that it's going that way. I wouldn't quite put it on par with f-a-g-g-o-t (it's censored here, apparently) which in full has never not had a hostile edge. A lot of transgender people used to call themselves "trannies" until pretty recently.

 

[Cirris]

So let me get this straight, this baker refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding and it's ok with conservatives as it's a private business, however when youtube, another private business, bans Alex Jones for clear ToS violations, it's an egregious offensive and the government should get involved?

You can flip that script and say....

So let me get this straight, this baker refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding and it's not ok with progressives even though it's a private business, however when youtube, another private business, bans Alex Jones for clear ToS violations, it's an appropriate response and the government should not get involved?

...both sides are guilty of subjective biases in their ideological enforcement of the constitution.

Nevermind the fact that most of these media sites are large publicly traded corporations with SEC oversight. I'd hardly call them "private" companies.

libertarian ideals fall flat when it's large in scale where corporate monopolies begin to take shape.