Could You Beat Your Middle Ages Ancestors in a Fight?

Trabaho said:
Actually let's forget this. Is what it is. Pretty disrespectful to talk like that to someone older then me.

Guess I got too much energy today.
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Listen man. I dont know you in person. I dont even have a name to talk to. Just a anonymous nickname.

But i gonna give you ONE message here with my heart and thoughts into it. Instead of just joking around. So feel free to react however you like.

But here goes:

You write in a way none real fighters would do on a internet forum. You just dont disrespect people you dont know like that.. if you where a legit fighter, you would carry yourself with respect. Even on a forum.

Even trash talkers like McGregor or Chael Sonnen wouldt do that. They do against people they are signed to fight. Random people they treat with respect.

My guess is that you need some self esteem. People with confidence dont try to bully other with words. They dont work anyway. Its just written text on a screen. Wtf should me, you, or anybody be afraid of letters on a screen?

Its nothing.

So you need confidence. Go get it. You cant either buy it or fake it. Real confidence comes from hard work and experience.

If you lived closer, i would try to help you. Starting with a close door training session, followed by a coffee.

But you dont need me. Start your own journey. Go get your confidence. They will enable you to go through life, being yourself.

Your true self.

Have a nice day.
 
Frode Falch said:
Its nothing.
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It's not nothing. It's one real, flesh-and-blood, human being communicating with another real, flesh-and-blood, human being. The medium of communication is irrelevant. On a screen or face-to-face, the words are still the words.
 
Frode Falch said:
Listen man. I dont know you in person. I dont even have a name to talk to. Just a anonymous nickname.

But i gonna give you ONE message here with my heart and thoughts into it. Instead of just joking around. So feel free to react however you like.

But here goes:

You write in a way none real fighters would do on a internet forum. You just dont disrespect people you dont know like that.. if you where a legit fighter, you would carry yourself with respect. Even on a forum.

Even trash talkers like McGregor or Chael Sonnen wouldt do that. They do against people they are signed to fight. Random people they treat with respect.

My guess is that you need some self esteem. People with confidence dont try to bully other with words. They dont work anyway. Its just written text on a screen. Wtf should me, you, or anybody be afraid of letters on a screen?

Its nothing.

So you need confidence. Go get it. You cant either buy it or fake it. Real confidence comes from hard work and experience.

If you lived closer, i would try to help you. Starting with a close door training session, followed by a coffee.

But you dont need me. Start your own journey. Go get your confidence. They will enable you to go through life, being yourself.

Your true self.

Have a nice day.
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Maybe you're a shady person irl and want my name to send out something my way. I def talk too much smack to be giving out my name or post my picture. I'm just a trash talker can't help it, how I grew up, I'm from Herzegowina that's just how we talk amongst friends. In the west and north it is considered super disrespectful. But we just talk like that. I don't even fit in culturally on a english internet forum. And that was a really nice written post. I don't have your manners I can't keep up. Besides that nobody is afraid of me cause I'm a nice guy. I just talk like a barbarian compared to the west and north. You can take me out of the balkans but can't take the balkans out of me. I also don't take this "Banter" super serious. I know I give into trash talk. I also wonder how long other forum users can even bare me. Maybe I'm entertaining, maybe I should like not hang around here. I don't got bad intentions.
We just talk super blunt and what would be considered crossing the line in other parts of the world. Ad in that it's an online forum and I probably sound like a disrespectful trash talker.
I'm a fan of everyone who is a fan of the sport and also participates. I deeply respect people who show up to practices.
I probably have 5x better manners on instagram, cause it's more personal.

I'm probably accusing people of trash talking me after I probably started it in the first place.

Maybe we passed some time here or something.

I mean in fighting sports it's what have you proven. I am 0-0 so I shouldn't talk. Everyone can claim expertise and tell Jon Jones what he should've done. I'm 0-0 so I don't got much to say that people would consider real. Everyone can make claims.
 
Conclusion, Trabaho = Balkan = bad class. But friendly. Just style of communication comes of totally rubbish to western and northern people.
 
Trabaho said:
Conclusion, Trabaho = Balkan = bad class. But friendly. Just style of communication comes of totally rubbish to western and northern people.
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Exactly how many times have you said that you were pulling out of this thread?

I've lost count.
 
Trabaho said:
Actually Frode is a nice guy. I should ask you to fight. I'm a begginer with low skill according to you. Also I'm 0-0 as are you. How about me and you compete in Muay Thai pro rules ?

Or is it that you are below a begginer with low skill.
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You are seriously challenging me to a MT fight? Because I called you a beginner? Dude you ARE a fucking beginner based on your bag work.

And no I will not fight you, my gettho-meter is on red now reading this shit, this is ridiculous. I am 100% more advanced than you but it‘s probable you could beat me on size and youth alone. Do I sound like I fight random people from forums? This is embarrassing.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
You are seriously challenging me to a MT fight? Because I called you a beginner? Dude you ARE a fucking beginner based on your bag work.

And no I will not fight you, my gettho-meter is on red now reading this shit, this is ridiculous. I am 100% more advanced than you but it‘s probable you could beat me on size and youth alone. Do I sound like I fight random people from forums? This is embarrassing.
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I'm not young too. And if you're actually older then me in any significant way then we go back to Bosnia rules and I have to listen to you as in follow your orders, if you are significantly older then me. A younger generation fighting or arguing with a older generation person doesn't exist in Bosnia Herzegowina.
And there are also no ghettos or public drug consumption in Bosnia Herzegowina.
But yeah Germany can get quite hood in some places.

If you could be my father by age I definitely have to shut up.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
You are seriously challenging me to a MT fight? Because I called you a beginner? Dude you ARE a fucking beginner based on your bag work.

And no I will not fight you, my gettho-meter is on red now reading this shit, this is ridiculous. I am 100% more advanced than you but it‘s probable you could beat me on size and youth alone. Do I sound like I fight random people from forums? This is embarrassing.
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It's a sport. You make it sound like I would assault you. Like I wouldn't be poliet and well mannered. You just say I'm a begginer, lol after half my life I am not a beginner, so I asked if you want to participate in the sport with me. That is not Ghetto sir. And in the end nobody cares to travel the world for some sherdog competition of who is the more advanced kickboxer. Imagine spending 1500 on that. Though Canada sounds nice. So have a nice remainder of the day Mr. KBE6EKCTAH_CCP
 
Frode Falch said:
Listen man. I dont know you in person. I dont even have a name to talk to. Just a anonymous nickname.

But i gonna give you ONE message here with my heart and thoughts into it. Instead of just joking around. So feel free to react however you like.

But here goes:

You write in a way none real fighters would do on a internet forum. You just dont disrespect people you dont know like that.. if you where a legit fighter, you would carry yourself with respect. Even on a forum.

Even trash talkers like McGregor or Chael Sonnen wouldt do that. They do against people they are signed to fight. Random people they treat with respect.

My guess is that you need some self esteem. People with confidence dont try to bully other with words. They dont work anyway. Its just written text on a screen. Wtf should me, you, or anybody be afraid of letters on a screen?

Its nothing.

So you need confidence. Go get it. You cant either buy it or fake it. Real confidence comes from hard work and experience.

If you lived closer, i would try to help you. Starting with a close door training session, followed by a coffee.

But you dont need me. Start your own journey. Go get your confidence. They will enable you to go through life, being yourself.

Your true self.

Have a nice day.
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My name is Oliver. Pronounced with the ER in Croatian. And in German we say Oliva. Hope that helps.
In short it's Oooli in Croatian and OLiii in German.

And my last name is some typical Jugoslawian thing like Rakic Filipovic Micoic ect
 
And there are no ghettos in Bosnia and Croatia. Croatia probably is the safest country in all Europe, lowest crime rate. You can come as a tourist and send your wife out at midnight any day of the week in any city and nothing will happen.
We also got next to zero homelessness and don't do drugs in public. Alcohol is a drink.
 
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KnightTemplar said:
Depends on which ancestor. A lot my ancestors would have been peasants, working the land or menial jobs. Physically and mentally tough, but small and worn down by hard labour and poor diet.

Some of my ancestors were probably warriors, in a time when the only ranged weapon was the longbow. So all the fighting and killing was done at close quarters. In spite of being a lot bigger and better fed, I wouldn't like my chances against one of those guys.

Hell, my grandfather and father on their best days would have torn me apart and hardly broken a sweat. My dad served in Malaya with the SAS. My grandfather, God rest him, fought in WWII, including Monte Casino, one of the hardest battles of the entire War. Both of them Boxed as young men. On the best day I ever had, I wouldn't have stood a chance against them in their prime, never mind someone who fought in the Schiltrons at Bannock Burn.
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I think, logically, you MUST have higher access to food than your grandfather.

Would it be a huge leap of logic to assume that your grandfather viewed his grandfather the same way you view yours?
Seems fairly reasonable, life was much harder in the 1860s than the 1940s for the most part. Probably less of a gap, but i think it safe to say that life in the 1600s was worse than the 1800s. And so on. Besides some outliers like the Romans most places either got steadily better or have stayed the same for at least the last several millenia.

So logically your grandpa's grandpa could kick your grandpa's ass, his grandpa could kick his ass, and so on and so forth. I still believe that our ancestors were just so physically superior that they could overcome any 'advantages' we have in nutrition.

The only logical retort to this train of thought seems to me that the WW2/WW1 generation, the boomer gen, or the current generation is the prefect combo of access to training/nutrition plus having to still perform a modicum of physical labor. But that seems way too much of a recency bias. I'll take the man who loves outside and lifts 100 lb barrels of hay all day long with superior strength over BJJboi
 
Bballfan123 said:
I think, logically, you MUST have higher access to food than your grandfather.

Would it be a huge leap of logic to assume that your grandfather viewed his grandfather the same way you view yours?
Seems fairly reasonable, life was much harder in the 1860s than the 1940s for the most part. Probably less of a gap, but i think it safe to say that life in the 1600s was worse than the 1800s. And so on. Besides some outliers like the Romans most places either got steadily better or have stayed the same for at least the last several millenia.

So logically your grandpa's grandpa could kick your grandpa's ass, his grandpa could kick his ass, and so on and so forth. I still believe that our ancestors were just so physically superior that they could overcome any 'advantages' we have in nutrition.

The only logical retort to this train of thought seems to me that the WW2/WW1 generation, the boomer gen, or the current generation is the prefect combo of access to training/nutrition plus having to still perform a modicum of physical labor. But that seems way too much of a recency bias. I'll take the man who loves outside and lifts 100 lb barrels of hay all day long with superior strength over BJJboi
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You logic is still messed up. I don’t care how much hay you can lift. It’s not stopping me from choking you out after I have you back. Skill matters big time. Bigger stronger guys get wrecked all the time when they don’t actually know how to fight versus someone who does. I used to carry 80lbs of sandbags of flights of stairs in the marines, once we did it for 3 weeks straight after our OP got many of its walls blown down and we had to sandbag our defenses back up. You get used to it. It didn’t make me a good fighter. It was good strength conditioning absolutely. You know what else is, the gym.
 
Bballfan123 said:
I always think about this, could you beat your ancestors in unarmed combat?

Let's think about this:

Ancestors:
-Probably have extreme physical strength compared to us
-Worked all day in fields, as blacksmiths, etc. Rode horses. Probably had extremely high amounts of stamina, close to unlimited compared to a modern person
-Saw extremely heavy amounts of combat, violence and death- most likely killed several men if not more with their bare hands or sword
-Possibly well fed? Middle Ages people actually had a decent diet when not in famine. That is a common misnomer. Only certain populations had meagre diets, such as portuguese and Spaniards, which in part led to the colonization of the new world. other groups had decent to great food. All they did was farm, war and eat, they had all day to slow cook. Also ate more foods, such as quail and roast fowl/boar.
-possibly diseased at all times, unknown. They might have been healthy. Although the average age was only 35, many ppl died in childbirth. Many people lived into their 80s and 90s. Not sure how healthy they would be on a day to day basis. Perhaps a sherdogger can weigh in?

Modern person:
-Most likely is somewhat bigger. Middle Ages ppl averages around 5'4, obviously some tall ppl in there.
-Definitely has access to MORE food, as far as the quality that might be debatable. I would rather eat middle Ages slow cooked meat vs mcdonalds hamburgers.
-Game changer- knows submission grappling or at least the basics. Jiu jitsu is unbeatable to people who don't know what it is.

What do you think
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A modern person has firearms.
 
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