Cuban Boxing Fundamentals

[StopDucking]

I see that they've put english subs in the videos of the Russian coach you posted in the thread guys.
It's great to understand completely his drills.

I just watched this really interesting video of his, where he shows a drill with a tennis ball and how it connects with his philosophy on punching and moving to a guy who had a different teacher in the past and was taught differently. At 8:47 you can see the contrast of the methods.

Thanks bruh. Haven't actually gone back to that channel since I found and shared it with you guys cause I was tired of the instructions in Russian lmao.

 

[kenji goh]

Thanks bruh. Haven't actually gone back to that channel since I found and shared it with you guys cause I was tired of the instructions in Russian lmao.

It was a hell of a find man.
The guy is something like a Russian Sinister.
Amazing how many drills and knowledge he shares.

 

[StopDucking]

It was a hell of a find man.
The guy is something like a Russian Sinister.
Amazing how many drills and knowledge he shares.

Ikr, look how old school this coach is. He even told the student to tuck his shirt into his shorts lol.

It sucks that Lu and he will now have to fight each other to the death bare-knuckled since there can only be one @Sinister.

 

[Sinister]

Ikr, look how old school this coach is. He even told the student to tuck his shirt into his shorts lol.

It sucks that Lu and he will now have to fight each other to the death bare-knuckled since there can only be one @Sinister.

I'm wid it.

Let's run that fade homie

 

[Higus]

posting so I can go thru later

 

[CUAPO]

Ikr, look how old school this coach is. He even told the student to tuck his shirt into his shorts lol.

It sucks that Lu and he will now have to fight each other to the death bare-knuckled since there can only be one @Sinister.

Seriously, I was like wtf why did he ask to tuck it? Is there a purpose for that?

 

[KarateStylist]

One of the trainers at our Gym is "King" Arthur Williams. Arthur was trained, in his youth, by Roy Jones Sr. Roy had a total of 4 fighters who eventually became World Champions, albeit I don't think any were Professionals under him. So he's got a fairly solid resume. I once asked Arthur about what it was like training with him and this is what he said:

"Yeah Roy was good, he had some good fighters and did a lot of good things. But I also think he used to look at too many karate movies or somethin'. He was always bringin' weird sh*t to the Gym to try to hit us with."

My recommendation for boxers is to stick with boxing. There's more than enough to master, working knowledge-wise. As Cyborg's recent wipe out against Nunes, and Holm recent battering by Cyborg all attest.

EDIT: Or that complete flame-out of that opponent against Sinister's Utah Transplant. Ridiculous for a championship bout.

Karate is doing something else than what boxing does, certain similarities in body mechanics in action aside. So I concur with King.

 

[Mr_Hodge]

Wow dude, both duly noted and bookmarked! Always interested to see how different cultures put importance on different parts of the game etc

 

[StopDucking]

@kenji goh @Sinister Watched a bunch of vids from the Russian Sinister in the past fews days and my mind is fucking blown. I'd like to discuss with you guys some of stuff he's teaching that differ from the way I was taught:
1) Straight punches are never straight. The fist goes up and down as you raise your shoulder and twist your arm, like with a bare-knuckle karate punch.
2) The stance is very square, with the feet almost parallel like in a basketball stance.
3) Power are generated not by sitting on your punches but by straightening your legs and raising yourself up.

These principles are showcased in almost every video. Here's the latest one:

 

[Sinister]

@kenji goh @Sinister Watched a bunch of vids from the Russian Sinister in the past fews days and my mind is fucking blown. I'd like to discuss with you guys some of stuff he's teaching that differ from the way I was taught:
1) Straight punches are never straight. The fist goes up and down as you raise your shoulder and twist your arm, like with a bare-knuckle karate punch.
2) The stance is very square, with the feet almost parallel like in a basketball stance.
3) Power are generated not by sitting on your punches but by straightening your legs and raising yourself up.

These principles are showcased in almost every video. Here's the latest one:

Those are some of the precise things I dont actually agree with or replicate in my teaching. I'm not trying to copy shit they do, I look for structural weaknesses and improve on it. I dont want to match the Russians, I want to bury them

 

[AndyMaBobs]

Those are some of the precise things I dont actually agree with or replicate in my teaching. I'm not trying to copy shit they do, I look for structural weaknesses and improve on it. I dont want to match the Russians, I want to bury them

How far would you say you agree with this coach on his boxing teaching?

 

[Sinister]

How far would you say you agree with this coach on his boxing teaching?

I don't know. I have respect for him and have adapted a lot of stuff they do that I like. I also like that he seems to value the Sport more than himself.

Makes me feel all:

 

[SandisLL]

1) Straight punches are never straight.

That's maybe specific for this style, but not for all soviet box cos soviets used not only cuban type style.

like with a bare-knuckle karate punch.

Yup, if you look in internet for topics Karate in Soviet Union, they have some connetions with Cuban and koeran guys in some timeframe more than with japanesse specialists.
Soviets had even two or three periods in their history when karate was banned at least for average population.
Remarks, that it was incredibly effective on streets, to some extent also because their clubs maintained high physical fitness requirements, more close to western pro boxing than western karate dojos in 70 ies.

 

[SandisLL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e3yd909zTs

There's another trainer, his name in russian is Мельцер Марк Ионович.

 

[ShadowoftheSun]

@Sinister and I do apologize for bothering you, but do you mind me asking some questions regarding this Russian trainer?

I know that you personally feel that a high centre-of-mass is counterproductive when it comes to producing punching power, but do you think that this Russian teacher's "style" of rising up on punches with a focus on using the ankles could provide power? I have personally become a believer of the idea that there is more than one way to any given solution, so I could believe that the "rising up" the Russian coach advocates could lead to an increase in punching power could be legit, but... I could also see that he's relying on the attributes of his pupils to a degree. Even if "rising up" doesn't enhance a fighter's power, someone who naturally punches super hard will still... punch super hard.

Do you mind me asking some of the things you have adapted for yourself? I feel like you and him are both people who ultimately value boxing above anything else, and as a result you'd be willing to learn from him (and him from you). I understand that this question sort of pries into what is effectively your livelihood, so, please feel free to just say "I'm not willing to answer that question".

And, I know this is rather ingratiating, but as I grow, I'm going to look forward to seeing any fighter with the surname "Monda" - I hope your kids become world renowned fighters.

 

[kenji goh]

@kenji goh @Sinister Watched a bunch of vids from the Russian Sinister in the past fews days and my mind is fucking blown. I'd like to discuss with you guys some of stuff he's teaching that differ from the way I was taught:
1) Straight punches are never straight. The fist goes up and down as you raise your shoulder and twist your arm, like with a bare-knuckle karate punch.
2) The stance is very square, with the feet almost parallel like in a basketball stance.
3) Power are generated not by sitting on your punches but by straightening your legs and raising yourself up.

These principles are showcased in almost every video. Here's the latest one:

Don't know dude.
One of this guy's(he's called Alexey Lvovich Frolov according to his site http://boxfr.ru/?page_id=199 ) favorite phrases is "Does it feel comfortable?".
It doesn't seem that comfortable to me. Very interesting style, buts seems difficult to
get the bodymechanics without training under him. Even his own boxers have a hard time
following his instructions and doing the basic punches the way he wants.
The style he teaches seems really focused in bouncing which is pretty labour intensive for a professional boxing match,
but for the amateur circuit or even for a street fight with multiple attackers might be great due to the built in mobility.


@Ilk is the only guy I know in this forum who trains in a similar style and
a lot of the things about the punching technique and footwork he said in the previous pages of the thread
made sense now that I've watched so many videos of Frolov.

 

[StopDucking]

Don't know dude.
One of this guy's(he's called Alexey Lvovich Frolov according to his site http://boxfr.ru/?page_id=199 ) favorite phrases is "Does it feel comfortable?".
It doesn't seem that comfortable to me. Very interesting style, buts seems difficult to
get the bodymechanics without training under him. Even his own boxers have a hard time
following his instructions and doing the basic punches the way he wants.
The style he teaches seems really focused in bouncing which is pretty labour intensive for a professional boxing match,
but for the amateur circuit or even for a street fight with multiple attackers might be great due to the built in mobility.


@Ilk is the only guy I know in this forum who trains in a similar style and
a lot of the things about the punching technique and footwork he said in the previous pages of the thread
made sense now that I've watched so many videos of Frolov.

So you speak Russian? What else does his profile page say?

 

[kenji goh]

So you speak Russian? What else does his profile page say?

Hell no. My browser translates everything that's not in english.
This is what i got from that page.

" Coach of the highest category
Certified Trainer AIBA (3 stars AIBA)
coach of the Russian national team
coach of Moscow
Personal Trainer Saadat Abdulaeva - world-class athlete, member of the Russian national team,
the vice-champion of the World Cup"

 

[StopDucking]

Coach of the Russian national team? I knew that guy was a G.

 

[SandisLL]

Only god knows, because ....
A+ level athletes usually have not only one coach, the same applies to national teams.
Head coach, trainers, fitness trainers, dieticians, advisors etc.
National teams in any kind of sport uses not only one or only six specialists and this applies also for non combat sports.