Daniel Cormier explains why he believes Jim Miller isn’t a future UFC Hall of Famer

[Black0ut]

Total fights in the UFC? Doesn’t mean much
Most Wins in the UFC? Certainly means something


I like DC a lot actually but he’s wrong here.

 

[Mind Mine]

Total fights in the UFC? Doesn’t mean much
Most Wins in the UFC? Certainly means something


I like DC a lot actually but he’s wrong here.

You are missing the whole part of the UFC ALLOWING Jim Niller to remain around fighting mid tier opponents losing and winning. You do realize if the UFC let A WHOLE LOT of fighters do this or take a step back in competition instead of being fed to wolves for namesake JIM WOULD NOT HAVE THAT RECORD. Not even close. Imagine if Silva was allowed to stick around fighting lower tier? Most top fighters retire near the top because it’s not good business for the UFC to pay top dollar for a guy or girl fighting lower tier. DC is neither right or wrong that’s his understandable opinion on the matter

 

[Wonderfight]

I mean I agree with DC. Nothing agains Miller, but the least you need to do to be a part of the HOF is begin considered a great fighter for a long number of years, at least being close to top with some great numbers. Miller was never that. I mean, I don't mind him since we have guys like Cowboy in, but he doesn't have the merit expect being in a sport for a long time while racking up a really nice numbers of wins which are rarely, if ever, that important for anything in bigger picture. Longevity is a nice thing, but definitely not hall of fame worthy by itself. Surprised that so many people disagree with DC, even if he did make a clumsy comparison.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

DC is arguing against his asinine view in the same sentence

Sure, time served doesn't mean Hall of Fame, but having the most wins certainly does. In pretty much all major sports the person with the most wins are in the Hall of Fame

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DC be like….

Absolutely not, him comparing the UFC to the NFL is idiotic. The NFL has been around for way longer than the UFC has been around and there's been way more athletes in the NFL than there has been in UFC. His argument is terrible. Jim Miller should be in the Hall of Fame for similar reasons as to why Donald Cerrone is in the Hall of Fame.

“The only hall of fame i can be in is the alcohol of fame.”

 

[Mike]

I never realized Jim was thought so little of, but everyone has the right to their opinion sir
Sometimes longevity is rewarded though.

Oh I like Jim I'm just being realistic. Most guys get fed to the wolves after they lose a step, and then they get cut. Jim is a rare outlier that got a big step down in competition instead. Which allowed him to remain in the ufc instead of being sent to some regional org. But that's its own reward imo. How many guys would have more finishes and wins if they got to fight low level competition while in the ufc?

I remember way back when Jim was seen as a huge prospect because he'd only lost to Edgar and Maynard. But we've seen his whole career play out now and he never reached that elite level a lot of people thought he would. Every time he got a big step up in competition he lost, and he has no signature wins. I also find it really odd that people keep comparing him to Cowboy like they were on the same level, when Cerrone has a ton of ranked wins. He was also a title contender and ranked top 3 for a considerable amount of time.

 

[Mike]

To all the people saying we're shitting on Jim or being dismissive, go back and look at his record. Especially after 2016 or so. Look at who these wins are over.

Jesse Butler
Donald Cerrone (ghost of a shadow version)
Nikolas Motta
Erick Gonzales
Roosevelt Roberts
Clay Guida
Jason Gonzales
Alex White

Those are his wins in the last 6+ years. Who are most of these people? Is it impressive to win versus this level of competition, like HOF worthy? MOST guys would have more wins and finishes if they got to fight absolute no names and guys making their debut. Jim also has 9 losses during this timeframe, losing every time he stepped up in competition as he generally has throughout his career.

I don't say that with any malice or anything. Lots of guys have had middle of the road ufc careers like that. They just didn't get to inflate their ufc stats with wins over Jesse Butler or Roosevelt Roberts like Miller did.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

I can see the argument against adding Miller.
Never fought for the title.
Did have a solid run but he wasn't a top ten guy for the majority of his time in the promotion.
Has an impressive list of opponents, but more than half are losses.

Arguments for adding.
Most wins in promotion history
15 years in the most competitive division.
Fought several of the big names including former/future champs in Oliveira, Henderson, Pettis, Edgar, IC Poirier.

Let's be real, this isn't Sherdog's hall of badass.
This the preeminent organization of the sport, you shouldn't get just because you're liked or highly thought of. It should be the very best the sport has seen. This is a big complaint of the basketball hall of Fame. You don't have to be an all time great player, just be really good at one aspect long enough and you'll get in eventually. Hit certain milestones and you're practically guaranteed.

 

[Mind Mine]

I can see the argument against adding Miller.
Never fought for the title.
Did have a solid run but he wasn't a top ten guy for the majority of his time in the promotion.
Has an impressive list of opponents, but more than half are losses.

Arguments for adding.
Most wins in promotion history
15 years in the most competitive division.
Fought several of the big names including former/future champs in Oliveira, Henderson, Pettis, Edgar, IC Poirier.

Let's be real, this isn't Sherdog's hall of badass.
This the preeminent organization of the sport, you shouldn't get just because you're liked or highly thought of. It should be the very best the sport has seen. This is a big complaint of the basketball hall of Fame. You don't have to be an all time great player, just be really good at one aspect long enough and you'll get in eventually. Hit certain milestones and you're practically guaranteed.

The most wins should not be an accolade unless it is against ranked opponents. That fixes that.

 

[JohnnyDragon]

being in the hall of fame for a FIGHT is much different than being in the hall of fame as a FIGHTER. stay on topic.

Both of those statements start with "being in the HOF" so I think I'm perfectly on topic

 

[Melas Chasma]

Miller was ranked top5-10 for a couple years in 2010-2012, that's was his biggest accomplisment in the sport.

DC has a point.

 

[Poatan Power]

What a dink. The guy is the shittiest commentator I’ve ever heard. But somehow he has a job. Miller deserves to be in that HOF. More than DC deserves to get paid to be shit on a mic.

Sanko went out and got a referee license so she can speak from a position of knowledge. That clown can’t even be bothered to learn how to pronounce people’s names properly. His opinion about anything means zero to me.

Imagine competing with Sanko as an announcer, and losing the looks department 50-35, and then letting her get a ref license and beat you on that front to. Literally only thing DC has over Sanko is he competed at a high level in MMA, which, leads to his absolute bias in commentating lol

 

[Meat Fist]

Yeah, fuck Jim, what has he ever contributed statically, visually and soulfully compared to others in the sport through the years. Keep his patina from dulling the shine of the great ones.

 

[Meat Fist]

 

[MartinGibson86]

https://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Jim+Miller/26367/

https://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Donald+Cerrone/27006/

Miller has a total of 5 quarters in his career ranked in the top 10 (none top 5).

Cerrone has as many quarters ranked #2 or 3 as Miller has top 10 in his whole career.

Cerrnone was an elite contender year after year. Miller was a gatekeeper.

Exactly

Its the Hall of FAME, not Hall of Good For a Really Long Time

 

[Poatan Power]

Miller was ranked top5-10 for a couple years in 2010-2012, that's was his biggest accomplisment in the sport.

DC has a point.

His point, that he didn't make, we're making it for him, is that if you don't reach a certain pinnacle of high level ranking/performance, you shouldn't be in the HOF. Okay. If that's his line in the sand. The issue is that he articulated that extremely poorly.

Miller has extreme longevity in the sport and has accolades that indicate that, such as most wins and most fights. He's also 2nd all time in finishes surrounded by Charles, Matt Brown, Cerrone, Vitor, Dustin and Anderson. Pretty good company. 2nd most submission wins in UFC history with Maia. To me that meets the threshold for HOF worthy, including his Lauzon FOTY.

 

[ccc77]

People seem pretty confused about Miller's ranking so here's the full record of him in the official UFC rankings:


date weightclass fighter rank
----------- ------------ ----------- -----
2013-02-04 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-02-11 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-02-18 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-02-25 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-03-04 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-03-18 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-04-08 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-04-15 Lightweight Jim Miller 5
2013-04-22 Lightweight Jim Miller 4
2013-04-29 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-05-28 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-06-10 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-06-18 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-07-08 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-07-29 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-08-05 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-08-19 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-08-30 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-09-02 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-09-06 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2013-09-23 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2013-10-11 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2013-10-21 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2013-10-28 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2013-11-08 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2013-11-11 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2013-11-18 Lightweight Jim Miller 10
2013-12-03 Lightweight Jim Miller 10
2013-12-09 Lightweight Jim Miller 10
2013-12-16 Lightweight Jim Miller 10
2013-12-30 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-01-07 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-01-17 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-01-27 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-02-03 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-02-17 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-02-18 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-02-24 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-02-25 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-03-03 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-03-04 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-03-10 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-03-17 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-03-24 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-03-25 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-04-14 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-04-18 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-04-21 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-04-28 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-05-05 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-05-06 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-05-12 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-05-26 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-05-28 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-06-02 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-06-09 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-06-16 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-06-30 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-07-08 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-07-21 Lightweight Jim Miller 7
2014-07-28 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2014-08-18 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2014-08-25 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2014-09-01 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2014-09-08 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2014-09-09 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2014-09-15 Lightweight Jim Miller 8
2014-09-22 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-09-29 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-10-06 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-10-27 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-11-10 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-11-17 Lightweight Jim Miller 9
2014-11-24 Lightweight Jim Miller 10
2014-12-08 Lightweight Jim Miller 10
2014-12-15 Lightweight Jim Miller 10
2014-12-22 Lightweight Jim Miller 11
2015-01-05 Lightweight Jim Miller 11
2015-01-20 Lightweight Jim Miller 11
2015-01-26 Lightweight Jim Miller 11
2015-02-02 Lightweight Jim Miller 11
2015-02-16 Lightweight Jim Miller 11
2015-02-24 Lightweight Jim Miller 12
2015-03-02 Lightweight Jim Miller 12
2015-03-16 Lightweight Jim Miller 12
2015-03-23 Lightweight Jim Miller 12
2015-04-06 Lightweight Jim Miller 13
2015-04-13 Lightweight Jim Miller 12
2015-09-28 Lightweight Jim Miller 15
2015-10-05 Lightweight Jim Miller 15
2015-10-26 Lightweight Jim Miller 15
2015-11-09 Lightweight Jim Miller 15
2015-11-16 Lightweight Jim Miller 15
2015-11-23 Lightweight Jim Miller 15
2015-11-30 Lightweight Jim Miller 14

 

[marvinparsons]

Imo the HOF should be reserved for one name dudes:
GSP
Fedor
Anderson
Hendo
Chuck
DC


Jim = Jim who?? Miller? Dan Miller?

 

[Shoguns Prodigy**]

He literally has an hof accolade- which is the most win in the most brutal sport of the most brutal organization.

 

[blaseblase]

The Cowboy comparisons are idiotic. First of all, Cowboy shouldn't have gotten into the HoF. Now, accepting the reality that he did, he was still a top 10 fighter for most of his career. Miller was not. Letting Miller into the hall of fame is opening up the doors for any average schmuck who steals our hearts on the prelims to make it in.

 

[Ozze]

If the time served comes together with the record for most wins the history of the UFC, it's deserved.

If it was just fighting for 15 years getting his ass beat than it wouldn't be noteworthy.