LOL, you're being emotional and silly. I AGREED with you about the number of alcohol related deaths in America but I also pointed out that DUI deaths were included in those statistics and that none of them stem from an alcoholic robbing or killing someone to get money for a bottle of liquor. Some of those DUI deaths ALSO INCLUDE drivers under the influence of an illegal substance. Do you deny this and can you prove it if you do deny this? Either prove otherwise or quit your bitchin'. Remove drivers under the influence of something other than alcohol and see how many DUI deaths you have. I'm sure that the vast majority of those deaths will be alcohol related but the fact remains that the numbers do change of you take out the other DUI perpetrators.
Who's upset? All I did was point out that all your evidence so far has been anecdotal and that if anyone should be bringing up facts it should be you. That's what happens when all you supply is anecdotal evidence. As much as anything I just wanted to see if you were capable of anything else.
DUI's weren't even the subject. If you go back the subject was alcohols involvement in violent crime. This was a little deferment by yourself. OK I completely concede yes drugs are involved in DUI's. It's not really a point either of us were raising.
You talk about alcoholics not breaking in to houses to steal alcohol but ignore our point about alcohol turning a % of normal people into violent dickheads.
Actually IIRC you said it should be illegal...
May I suggest you do the same? Drug overdose deaths in America reached 59,000 and may have slightly exceeded that number. And this is just overdoses alone. How much bigger are the drug deaths if we factor in the murders committed by users and dealers alike while participating in this drug world? What the hell are you talking about?
Around 3 million people die globally each year from alcohol consumption.
Around 250,000-400,000 die from illegal drug use depending on what source you want to use.
In America over half of your overdoses are related to your opioid epidemic. Around 1/3 are legal drugs.
Illegal drugs isn't the issue when it comes to overdoses in America, your doctors handing out legal addictive drugs like candy is.
It's interesting you touch on drug dealer violence. It's certainly an issue. Mexico has averaged probably a bit over 10k murdered each year for over a decade.
Can you name another infinite resource where people kill each other in that kind of number? I know we kill each other for finite resources, diamonds, oil etc. Not infinite ones like drugs.
Unless we make them illegal and create a multi billion dollar black market. Like we did with drugs.
Read my posts again. I said that PORTUGAL'S METHOD is essentially placation. I did not say that ANY ALTERNATIVE action is placation. Portugal's approach is only ONE alternative and I aired my views on that approach. You cannot point when or where I ever said that ANY alternative approach is placation. If you're going to try to quote me please do so accurately and if you're going to read my posts please read them carefully so you will know what you are talking about.
If you think that's placation...
Legalisation is another alternative.
The better alternative.
People don't really understand how many drugs there are. When I said I could list hundreds safer than alcohol I wasn't kidding.
Ever heard of Alexander Shulgin? He's known as the godfather of psychedelics. Basically he synthesized a whole bunch of different drugs just from the phenethylamine family in the 70's.
Here's a book he wrote that lists 179 of them.
https://erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal.shtml
That's one drug family. It's not even a complete list of the drugs within that family.
Here's some designer drugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designer_drugs
Note that if you click on any of the see also: list of example that the link will take you to a new list of drugs. Basically there's hundreds upon hundreds of psychoactive substances.
You really think our legislation on all these drugs is made on how much harm they do? Or is it possible that we made a decision back in the 1930's when tobacco was good for you that all drugs not from our culture are bad?
Here's a crazy idea. Do trials on hundreds of these drugs, and legalize a whole bunch of the ones you're extremely unlikely to overdose on or become addicted to along with the main stream illegal drugs and implement a pricing system based on harm.
Crazy idea huh? Cheap safe drugs, dangerous drugs are available but more expensive.
It'll crush the illegal black market because who wants to buy coke that's cut with who knows what from johnny the junkie? Fucker is going to shoot me one day. That dumb shit can't compete with mass uninterrupted production, still has johnny law to deal with, no customers and overpriced product.
With the illegal drug market no longer being a viable career option government can control the entire drug market. Especially if they do it without going the capitalism route.
This allows pooling of data and the ability to implement policies that can not only be accurately measured but also impact incredibly high percentages of the people we're actually trying to reach. I'm thinking in excess of 99% of all people will go the legal route.
This is amazing control. Once you have this you can try countless strategies.
You could implement a licensing system for hard drugs. Sure you can take heroin, crack but you need to see this drug councilor for a one hour session before you can get a license.
With apathy today and 50 other safe legal drugs available on the market who's bothering with this slight inconvenience other than addicts?
Do YOU want to make a dent in hard drug addiction or go into emotional tirades on internet forums as if your life depended on winning or losing an internet debate?
Geez you get offended easy.
Maybe. Maybe not. I started this thread by asking a couple of questions. What can work that hasn't been tried yet? Is there a better way to clean up a society of drug addiction other than what Duterte claims is being done in the Philippines under his administration? We won't know for sure if something can completely remove a drug problem until human beings have tried everything they can possibly think of and put into action.
I didn't really reply to the op.
You seem to be emotionally triggered for whatever reason. As far as the remainder of the above quote you can kindly read my post directly above it.
Yawn.
And it has been pointed out already that IF these so called executions really are taking place in the Philippines it may not have anything to do at all with the drug problem but just a smokescreen that Duterte is using to crackdown on the population and get rid of people who aren't pro Duterte. I know that is very, very, very possible in the dirty world of politics. And if this is the case I will be the first to say it won't work because that's not the true purpose of the agenda.
Why not both? They're killing drug dealers and users there. It's not so much police being sent to kill people but unpoliced community justice to solve it. He's probably too busy fighting ISIS to be cleaning house at the same time.
Stop being emotional on the internet and read my following words very carefully for once....
I know that it is impossible for this world to be completely 100% drug free. There are people who manage to somehow involve themselves in drugs and alcohol in Saudi Arabia. However,
there are extremely harsh penalties involved if they get caught. Those harsh penalties is why the overall drug and alcohol scene in Saudi Arabia don't even come close to what we have here in the U.S. There's a reason they don't have massive DUI deaths there as we do here. In fact, since you claim to be such good friends with Mr. Google how about you look up the DUI laws in Saudi Arabia. After you do that look up their death by DUI statistics.
Here, I'll give you a head start. This website ranks every country of the world according to cause of death. Have a look at where America ranks compared to KSA in both alcohol and drug related deaths (by using the menu bar in the upper right) and try to be unemotional enough to ponder on why they each rank the way that they do.
SA has harshly dealt with drug use of course they will make the numbers look differently than America do you think even for a second that those numbers REALLY reflect the total number of drug deaths that take place here? Every country fudges their numbers to look better to the rest of the world.
Final word: If you can't discuss things with people without getting bent out of shape (and out of nowhere on top of it) then perhaps you should find something less triggering to do in your spare time. Friendly advice.
Says the guy venting his frustrations with me to anyone that'll listen