International How Do you think AOC handled this?

[ferrisjso]

The socialists use "liberal" as a slur at times and use phrases like "clasa traitor"

It means that internationally. Only in America has the term liberal been construed with left post fuedalism. For example normie US articles will refer to a leftist as "being more liberal". Internationally thats not a thing and as people broaden their horizons they realize that.

 

[Striderxdj]

I think this really illustrates how fringey these people are. The most left-wing member of the federal government is unacceptable to the far left. People can just totally ignore them.

We've said this numerous times but the right wingers just ignore it. They continue to pretend the left is a monolith, and post up the idiotic rantings of (random_bluhair0123) they found on Twitter as the voice of the left as a whole. They also say If we aren't spending all our time and energy fighting with these people, then somehow that means we agree with them. (They do nothing about the worst people in their own party, or call them plants.)

They also accuse lifelong, high-profile and influential Republicans "RINO's" simply because they don't like Trump and think he is bad for the party.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

We have nothing in the mainstream media even if we are mainstream numerically. You're pretending we do so you can push the country even further right. Its a manipulation tactic where the side that controls everything says the oppressed minority really controls everything so they can push for even more dominance then they already have. Its why the libertarians pretend to be oppressed(some just want to feel like rebels I presume) when the country is dominated by their cancerous ideology. But by posturing that the country isn't libertarian they can preempt any resistance.

The courts are controlled by the fascist federalist society. The universitys are dominated by capitalist donors. Its just bull. Leftists did have some representation in the humanities and thats a big reason why they've been starved. I think this was more during the Cold War when capitalist society had to acknowledge socialism as part of the world to some extent.

the biggest teacher's union in the country...

Core Values | NEA

Only when every student can attend school in the full confidence of being welcomed as they are, will we have created education justice.

www.nea.org

their core values are CRT, globalism, and LGBTQ propaganda.



lib professors outnumber conservatives 12:1 in colleges

Liberal professors outnumber conservatives 12 to 1: Study​

Liberal professors outnumber conservatives 12 to 1: Study

Students at America’s top universities are nearly 12 times more likely to have a liberal professor than a conservative one in the classroom, a new study shows.

www.washingtontimes.com

you have corporations and HR departments, the schools, the mainstream news outlets, all the social media platforms (thank god for twitter), all the cultural institutions like hollywood, and want to push commie policies and laws that remove power from parents, where in some crazy places misgendering is enough to have your children taken away.

it's not mainstream and yet it's everywhere and taking the country by hostage. this is the same gaslighting we heard back in 2020/2021 about CRT.

 

[ferrisjso]

the biggest teacher's union in the country...

Core Values | NEA

Only when every student can attend school in the full confidence of being welcomed as they are, will we have created education justice.

www.nea.org

their core values are CRT, globalism, and LGBTQ propaganda.



lib professors outnumber conservatives 12:1 in colleges

Liberal professors outnumber conservatives 12 to 1: Study​

Liberal professors outnumber conservatives 12 to 1: Study

Students at America’s top universities are nearly 12 times more likely to have a liberal professor than a conservative one in the classroom, a new study shows.

www.washingtontimes.com

you have corporations and HR departments, the schools, the mainstream news outlets, all the social media platforms (thank god for twitter), all the cultural institutions like hollywood, and want to push commie policies and laws that remove power from parents, where in some crazy places misgendering is enough to have your children taken away.

it's not mainstream and yet it's everywhere and taken the country by hostage. this is the same gaslighting we heard back in 2020/2021 about CRT.

The issue is you consider LGBT and cultural stuff to be leftist. Because US is a 1 party state with 2 partys they need to politicize non political things to legitamize the political process. You know the Nazis had queer paramilitarys right? Like what you think straight people are right wing and gay people are left? Like how the fuck is who you have sex with in any way shape or form relevant to ideology?

A 12:1 ratio is probably defining professors based on if they are democrat and republican. Being democrat and believing in capitalism still makes one right wing. Also it doesn't get into the whole tenure v non tenure thing. People like Jack Savage don't identify as right wing even if they are. A large swaths of even Republicans don't identify as right wing anymore because they don't want to be associated with MAGA hat wearers. But they are right wing.

While most leftists aren't opposed to CRT and acceptance of LGBT people these are not relevant to leftist ideology. Its just a byproduct of the left wanting to support the marginalized. These are not political things they are cultural things that people would still argue about in a socialist society.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It means that internationally. Only in America has the term liberal been construed with left post fuedalism. For example normie US articles will refer to a leftist as "being more liberal". Internationally thats not a thing and as people broaden their horizons they realize that.

Liberalism implies support for market economies, representative democracy, and protection of rights, and it's a generally left-wing ideology. You can have right-leaning liberals, but they're rare (and getting much rarer) in America.

 

[ferrisjso]

Liberalism implies support for market economies, representative democracy, and protection of rights, and it's a generally left-wing ideology. You can have right-leaning liberals, but they're rare (and getting much rarer) in America.

It was only a left wing ideology when the alternative was fuedalism. 200 years ago.

Representative democracy doesn't protect real rights it protects circular procedual rights. Not things people need to live.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Indicting people on the premise that they're not offended or upset enough for YOU is really bad.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It was only a left wing ideology when the alternative was fuedalism. 200 years ago.

Representative democracy doesn't protect real rights it protects circular procedual rights. Not things people need to live.

The alternative today is also much more rightist. A majority of the GOP today literally only respects election results to the extent that they can't overturn them (that is, they would get rid of them if they could get away with it), wants the president to be above the law if he's in their party, supports allowing more cost externalization, supports cronyism as an economic model, etc. There's also a strong preference for aligning internationally with Russia/China/North Korea/Iran/Hungary/Turkey over Western liberal democracies. You should be grateful for the normie left, as things would get really uncomfortable for you fast if American democracy falls to those people.

 

[koquerelle]

She looks good for a women that age.

lol
It's all a matter of perspective. How old are you if you don't mind?

I'm an old bag and look at 40 y.o. like they're spring chickens. AOC is way too young for me. I'd feel like a pervert doing a girl that age.

 

[Jack V Savage]

A 12:1 ratio is probably defining professors based on if they are democrat and republican. Being democrat and believing in capitalism still makes one right wing. Also it doesn't get into the whole tenure v non tenure thing. People like Jack Savage don't identify as right wing even if they are.

The spectrum relates to your position on equality (first of rights) and hierarchy. I favor a flat structure formally, including taking steps to reduce de facto inequality of rights. Think of Anatole France's famous line:

La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler du pain.

Or "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread."

More generally, I think any use of gov't force has to be justified under the idea that everyone's interests are equal under the law.

 

[Loiosh]

AOC definitely should have handled being questioned about things she did or didn't say with the utmost dignity and class of someone who represents the American people:

I'd be interested in knowing which American people MTG represents and what's she's done for them.

I read an article a while ago that detailed how well her district is doing in SPITE of her in that they're profiting from several measures she voted AGAINST.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

She looks good for a women that age.

She's like 34?

 

[koquerelle]

That guy needs to be fucked with something long and sharp.

Stein is a walking shit stain. I'm surprised nobody put him in the hospital. I honestly think he'd be happy so he can play the martyr card.

 

[Loiosh]

Liberalism implies support for market economies, representative democracy, and protection of rights, and it's a generally left-wing ideology. You can have right-leaning liberals, but they're rare (and getting much rarer) in America.

Would you agree that you're a liberal and I'm a leftist?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Would you agree that you're a liberal and I'm a leftist?

I don't know enough about your views on everything, but I would have suspected maybe that's right.

I think liberalism is consistent with a strong safety net or even a high level of public ownership (like with a social wealth fund), and thus one can be liberal and pretty far on the left. But a lot of far leftists don't agree and think that a market-based economy necessarily creates strong hierarchies.

 

[koquerelle]

@Andy Capp, note that you never see non-crazy Republicans calling out SN/Rob/Whippy/types. And you never see far-right types harassing far-right Republicans in gov't. The reason is that there's very little distinction between the mainstream right and the crazies. But there is a big gap between the crazy left and the mainstream left.

Let's agree to disagree on that one. Like you've said before, one video on social media doesn't represent a majority.

Normal people on the left and the right rarely call out the vocal minority. Hell, they rarely call out anything their team does.

 

[koquerelle]

She's like 34?

Which is old as fuck if you're a very young man. Like I said before, perspective.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Let's agree to disagree on that one. Like you've said before, one video on social media doesn't represent a majority.

Normal people on the left and the right rarely call out the vocal minority. Hell, they rarely call out anything their team does.

One video on social media isn't really evidence of any trend and doesn't say anything about frequency, true. But I think that is the dynamic that we see a lot--with the far left completely rejecting meliorist politics and expressing more vitriol toward normal liberals than they do toward the right. Hard to quantify it, but I think it's way, way more common to see internecine conflict on the left than on the right, in part because there's just way less space between the extreme and the mainstream on the right.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

Which is old as fuck if you're a very young man. Like I said before, perspective.

I was banging hot 30 year olds in my early 20s... quit being a pansy, take that into perspective.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I was banging hot 30 year olds in my early 20s... quit being a pansy, take that into perspective.

Damn man, what crawled up your butt?