How fast was prime Fedor?

[FinalConflict2005]

Bader is dead.

 

[Super Grover]

Physical peak maybe but MMA isn't like being an NFL running back or something, it takes longer to pick up skills in different areas of the game and the vast majority of MMA fighters continue to get more and more skilled till they hit around 30ish. Some keep getting more well rounded as they get passed 30-34ish but they are the exceptions, most fighters start becoming more one dimentional at that point.

Horseshit.

Thats because the talent pool in MMA is incredibly shallow not because MMA is some magic sport that defies ageing. A 30+ year old can keep being successful in MMA despite his declining athleticism because there is not a couple hundred 18-20 year olds that are all in the top 1% of athletes on the planet coming into the sport every single year.

If MMA had the talent pool of something like the NBA or NFL (or even MLB/NHL) you can bet your ass that someone like DC would have retired, or have been rendered irrelevant, long ago not be winning the HW belt at 40 years old.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Thats because the talent pool in MMA is incredibly shallow not because MMA is some magic sport that defies ageing. A 30+ year old can keep being successful in MMA because there is not a couple hundred 18-20 year olds that are all in the top 1% of athletes on the planet coming into the sport every single year.

If MMA had the talent pool of something like the NBA or NFL (or even MLB/NHL) you can bet your ass that someone like DC would have retired long ago, not be winning the HW belt at 40 years old.

Well I'm talking about the sport as it is, not some fantasy version of it that doesn't exist because other sports pay more.

Sure if the NBA, NFL and MLB/NHL and soccer didn't exist and all the talent went to MMA the prime fighting age would change, but we aren't talking about some magical hypothetical situation.

 

[Super Grover]

I'm talking about the sport as it is too. And what you are saying is not actually true. MMA fighters are not older because its take a long time to pick up skills blah blah blah. Its that most MMA guys dont even start training MMA until they have already washed out of another sport and because of the small talent pool they can stay relevant for longer.

 

[FKA]

This is so factually incorrect it's hilarious. An athletes prime is his early-mid 20's. By the time you hit 28-29 you are already declining. At 35+ you are basically done/running out the clock. It has been studied in depth.

The average age of an Olympic champion is 23 years old. You think all the 35 year olds that are supposedly "in their prime" are just letting the kids win? lol.

For fedor the thing about it is he had 2 combat sports careers at the same fucking time.

He was undefeated in MMA and combat sambo its really insane thinking about especially when so many fighters can't stay healthy just in 1 sport.

Combat sambo has everything like mma striking and grappling fedor has TONS of miles on him man that's why he declined at an early age.He has been in martial arts since a young boy.You look at fedors early career he was fighting ALOT add in the sambo fights and its crazy what his body has been through.

 

[acannxr]

Not sure if the gifs are actually working on this Reddit link cause my work blocks Reddit but I hope they are working cause they give a good idea how fast Fedor was when he started slowing down a little.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/.../fedor_vs_arlovski_in_slow_motion/

Here ya go:

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

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The Heath Herring fight was crazy, Bas and Quadros were shocked how badly Fedor whooped him. I think Herring was thought to be the number 2 guy in Pride at the time with Big Nog being the number 1 guy.

 

[Losfer Words]

The Heath Herring fight was crazy, Bas and Quadros were shocked how badly Fedor whooped him. I think Herring was thought to be the number 2 guy in Pride at the time with Big Nog being the number 1 guy.

Herring was dangerous right at that time imo. He had momentum, confidence and youth. He was fun to watch and always came to fight. I was a fan of Herring and Fedor whooped dat ass.

 

[bigconan]

This is so factually incorrect it's hilarious. An athletes prime is his early-mid 20's. By the time you hit 28-29 you are already declining. At 35+ you are basically done/running out the clock. It has been studied in depth.

The average age of an Olympic champion is 23 years old. You think all the 35 year olds that are supposedly "in their prime" are just letting the kids win? lol.

everyone hits their prime differently..you cannot possibly say that all people will hit their prime at a certain age...that is impossible and no study in the world can prove this...randy couture didn't even start competing in mma till 34...you are full of shit and so is this so called alleged study you mention...all a study can show is averages...and averages do not account for individual cases....why? everyone is different...

 

[bigconan]

Fedors fighting style was honed first obviously in judo and sambo but then really in RINGS is where you seen fedors striking and gnp grow and evolve for mma.In PRIDE he had his game down already and confidence in himself as you see the way he attacks his opponents in their strongest discipline.He didnt need to grapple you cuz your a good striker or vice versa he would just beat you in every aspect of the game.

Fedor didn't EVOLVE into a striker he DEVOLVED....

Fedor always had fast powerful striking but what made it even better was his clinch and takedown game.Once he just started standing guys weren't worried about the takedown so they began countering him easier or atleast able to time him better.

Fedor has tons of miles on his body and has had knee,shoulder, and back issues that have lingered and left him much less mobile then he once was.Its much less taxing to only stand and bang and he was able to do that for a few years,but after neglecting his ground game his cardio for grappling is lacking as seen in the chael fight.

Fedor has never stopped grappling during training but he hasn't seriously implemented it in game planning until the chael fight for mostly defensive purposes.Fedors gameplan for mitrione was to submit him,Frank mir fight he did grappling but wanted to ko him.After beating Mir fedor got the push to make a serious effort to become hw champ which led to his return to a heavier grappling regiment.

You seen him come in lighter and in good mental state and his legs were in good shape too.Fedor still gassed after alot if explosive grappling defenses and strikes thrown but it was good to see him being ready in all aspects.

He needs definite cardio work but for a 42 yr old guy not even having full uninterrupted camps I'm happy he is motivated.Bader will beat him but it will be cool to see fedor in a hw championship bout yet again.

nit picking about evolving vs devolving is really stupid..haha and that's a matter of perception...in either case, the wording really doesn't matter...Everything I said was correct...

 

[Danespina]

Fast as fuck...Quickest hands in MMA IMO.

You should have seen 2016 Fedor.

 

[Scottish Redcoat]

Fastest heavyweight I have ever seen, especially from 2000 to 2006.

 

[spardeous]

One of the issues casuals have in quantifying Fedor is that they just don't understand the power difference between HW and every other division.

You have a spread of 59 lbs(even higher in older orgs) - think about this for a moment: that is the difference between bantamweight and middleweight.

Think about the power difference between TJ Dillashaw vs Anderson Silva. Imagine Jose Aldo vs Jon Jones.
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BET ON DILLASHAW OR ALDO? Hell, you could give me the worst version of Silva/Jones and the best version of Dillashaw/Aldo and I'd still bet on Silva/Jones every time
... and that's the difference.

 

[basedgodfedor]

 

[basedgodfedor]

Nogs chin is ridiculous lol ^^

 

[Doodies]

One of the issues casuals have in quantifying Fedor is that they just don't understand the power difference between HW and every other division.

You have a spread of 59 lbs(even higher in older orgs) - think about this for a moment: that is the difference between bantamweight and middleweight.

Think about the power difference between TJ Dillashaw vs Anderson Silva. Imagine Jose Aldo vs Jon Jones.
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BET ON DILLASHAW OR ALDO? Hell, you could give me the worst version of Silva/Jones and the best version of Dillashaw/Aldo and I'd still bet on Silva/Jones every time
... and that's the difference.

It doesn't work like that, The size as a percentage of weight isn't as big as you are making it out to be. Also if you look at the time Fedor fought, his toughest opponents were guys that weighed similar to himself or were lighter, such as Cro Cop, Nog and Arlovski.

 

[franklinstower]

Fedor was always a wrestler, who used very effective striking to get close for the takedown..he could still ko you with strikes, but his bread and butter was grappling, ground and pound and submissions...but he has evolved into a pure striker...he can still catch guys, like he did with Mir and sonnen...but he has shown that his chin isn't what it used to be...he gets hit far more than he used to...go watch his fights in pride, he rarely if ever got hit..he was super fast...he could be in on you in a heart beat and get you down...now, his grappling game is no where to be found...not really sure why he completely abandoned it though...maybe he no longer has the cardio for it...maybe he's severely shook from the werdum fight...who knows exactly why.

That throw/reversal on Sonnen was pretty impressive though right?

 

[franklinstower]

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That third GIF is forever burned into my mind and the quintessential example of the prowess of Fedor. I mean WTF with this guy? How the hell are you supposed to be able to keep up with a guy that moves like that?

Its not normal.

 

[frye666]

Fast

And this is an out of prime Fedor.

 

[spardeous]

It doesn't work like that, The size as a percentage of weight isn't as big as you are making it out to be. Also if you look at the time Fedor fought, his toughest opponents were guys that weighed similar to himself or were lighter, such as Cro Cop, Nog and Arlovski.

You're splitting hairs. We can cut that difference in thirds and use Mousasi(natural LHW) vs Macdonald(natural MW) as a comparison - and you still get the same result. But even at that, percentages are not relative as you move up in weight. A 5% difference at 135 is not going to be nearly as substantial in the real fight as a 5% difference at 260 lbs, and I think you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.