How In The World Does "Super Saiyan" Brunson Beat The Gorilla Till???

[GoshiShun17]

On paper it is easy to see why Darren should be the favorite. First off, Brunson is nearly 38 years old. He is a fighter who does rely a bit on his superior athleticism but that window can close any time. In the past his reckless style has placed him on both sides of some highlight reel finishes. His power is always there but his chin is certainly questionable

On the other side, Till is potentially just entering his prime at about 29 years old. He is more polished on the feet, better kicker, better puncher. Usually he is better at managing distance. Great at taking angles. Speed advantage also goes to Till. I feel like Till's TDD has proven to be solid and that won't be an easy route of victory for Brunson at all. And although Brunson has been fighting much smarter and more patient, I feel like Till also may have the advantage in a slow paced, highly technical fight. At first I thought it was an easy pick, although obviously we have seen much bigger upsets.

With all that said, we also can safely assume that Brunson is the better wrestler and has even better takedown defense than Till. I think Brunson's side should keep the pressure and work a lot of leg kicks and body kicks. Brunson is not known as a kicker, but being as though Till will likely not go for or be able to take Brunson down, he can afford to be more reckless with them. Land them even if it is just for points so that Till can't hang back and play the distance. Don't chase with the hands, but try and let Till walk into some power shots and maybe force a reckless exchange out of Till. Obviously the TDD threat will always be present for Brunson, so Till maybe hesitant to clinch.

Now I'm not so sure who to pick. I'll stick with Till but I could see paths for Brunson that I didn't notice before. But I don't know shit. What do you guys think?

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Same way Jorge did. Get inside and land one big shot.

He's an underdog because most gamblers think Till will win by controlling distance with the jab.

 

[ChumpyKiwi]

On paper, Till smokes him. But I also I thought Woodley was a great matchup for Till since he was a great counter striker who only needed to avoid the right hand. We all know how that went. Till does a nice job of getting out of the way of most strikes until he just eats the one and goes down.

 

[GoshiShun17]

Same way Jorge did. Get inside and land one big shot.

He's an underdog because most gamblers think Till will win by controlling distance with the jab.

If the KO doesn't materialize, who do you see taking a decision and how?

 

[Phill]

I was honestly very surprised at the odds of this fight when I saw them. I think Till is overrated. Brunson win's via grappling. If Brunson keeps his head off the centre line, it's an easy win. I parlayed Daniel Rodriguez and Brunson for a nice potential payout. 1/2 way there

 

[DrunkMonkMeth]

wrestling

 

[Thesnake101]

Same way Jorge did. Get inside and land one big shot.

He's an underdog because most gamblers think Till will win by controlling distance with the jab.

Brunson's combos are nowhere near as crisp as Jorge's though, like at all.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

If the KO doesn't materialize, who do you see taking a decision and how?

Brunson can make it a dog fight. Grind it out. Get Till on the fence or the mat. Not spam takedowns per se, but time them well after a big punch.

Till is a big guy but Brunson is a wily vet.

If Brunson hasn't (to quote a great baseball movie) "announced his presence with authority" by the end of the second round - if he hasn't gotten Till down and beat him up a bit - he loses.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Brunson's combos are nowhere near as crisp as Jorge's though, like at all.

Right. And he doesn't have Jorge's feints either. And that was a beeaauuuutiful feint he threw against Till to KTFO his ass.

But get inside and punch hard, Brunson can do.

 

[GlasgowKiss81]

This is a big signpost for Till coming up. He needs to lay a marker down. For a fighter who’s prowess is meant to be striking when was the last time he put a display of that on, that wasn’t a defensive orientated game of cat and mouse against other good strikers ? Have always said with him, he is technically good, but he overthinks, can be way too hesitant and doesn’t ever seem to just naturally flow or feel it and let combos go. Brunson isn’t a Whittaker, Thompson or Masvidal, and falls short of where Till is claiming to be. He may have most in common with Gastelum, however, Till was coming off a bad KO the fight before.

For me, it’s time for Till to show everybody that he has some proper juice.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

I haven't seen any of his pre-UFC bouts, so I can't say how he'll fare against a legit-sized MW but Till has yet to impress me. He hasn't shown enough power to convince me he'll be able to put Brunson away. Brunson also could have the size and power needed to put Till on his back and keep him there to score some easy points with the judges.

 

[werkdahgastankfools]

With how Till has been fighting, it wouldn't be much work for Brunson to grind or even back Till to the cage constantly.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Till is probably the worst grappler out of any top MW

He's not easy to take down though.

Once down, ya, he's not great.

 

[pankrat]

On paper it is easy to see why Darren should be the favorite. First off, Brunson is nearly 38 years old. He is a fighter who does rely a bit on his superior athleticism but that window can close any time. In the past his reckless style has placed him on both sides of some highlight reel finishes. His power is always there but his chin is certainly questionable

On the other side, Till is potentially just entering his prime at about 29 years old. He is more polished on the feet, better kicker, better puncher. Usually he is better at managing distance. Great at taking angles. Speed advantage also goes to Till. I feel like Till's TDD has proven to be solid and that won't be an easy route of victory for Brunson at all. And although Brunson has been fighting much smarter and more patient, I feel like Till also may have the advantage in a slow paced, highly technical fight. At first I thought it was an easy pick, although obviously we have seen much bigger upsets.

With all that said, we also can safely assume that Brunson is the better wrestler and has even better takedown defense than Till. I think Brunson's side should keep the pressure and work a lot of leg kicks and body kicks. Brunson is not known as a kicker, but being as though Till will likely not go for or be able to take Brunson down, he can afford to be more reckless with them. Land them even if it is just for points so that Till can't hang back and play the distance. Don't chase with the hands, but try and let Till walk into some power shots and maybe force a reckless exchange out of Till. Obviously the TDD threat will always be present for Brunson, so Till maybe hesitant to clinch.

Now I'm not so sure who to pick. I'll stick with Till but I could see paths for Brunson that I didn't notice before. But I don't know shit. What do you guys think?

I mostly agree with the analysis but how do you make to 4 paragraphs and dont even mention that this is far and away the biggest test to date for Till's wrestling ability.
Not sure why you act as if there isnt a clear path for Derek, as if we already saw Darren consistently stopping TDs of a legit wrestler, especially at 185. Lost and got taken down by Whittaker and in my opinion showed some sloppy technique in the clinch vs Gastelum and that's basically it, that's how proven Till is in that regard.

Brunson brings underrated wrestling ability and physicality that I dont think Till has dealt with. Till is the much superior striker to the point Brunson could be outmatched there and as u say he has questionable chin. Intriguing match up.

 

[pankrat]

He's not easy to take down though.

Once down, ya, he's not great.

Not saying is easy, but we can't say for certain he can stop the TDs of a TD especialist when he had not faced a single one yet. Stopped the initial attempts of an aged 170lber in Woodley only to get knoked down and subbed right after. At 185 got taken down by Whittaker and his clinch work didnt looks as sharp to me vs Gastelum, none of them are the caliber of wrestler Brunson is. If he is indeed weak in the ground as you say...Brunson has a solid chance in this one.

 

[weaselkenievil]

This is a big signpost for Till coming up. He needs to lay a marker down. For a fighter who’s prowess is meant to be striking when was the last time he put a display of that on, that wasn’t a defensive orientated game of cat and mouse against other good strikers ? Have always said with him, he is technically good, but he overthinks, can be way too hesitant and doesn’t ever seem to just naturally flow or feel it and let combos go. Brunson isn’t a Whittaker, Thompson or Masvidal, and falls short of where Till is claiming to be. He may have most in common with Gastelum, however, Till was coming off a bad KO the fight before.

For me, it’s time for Till to show everybody that he has some proper juice.

If you’re new to the forum good post mate.

edit - you’re not that new, you should post more!

 

[Pierced7681]

Till is mad overrated, never seen a guy so hesitant to enter the pocket at 170 and at 185

 

[chiefwiggum]

Till is the most overrated fighter I’ve ever seen. He’s been about finished in all off his ufc fights and Ben against bums.

so he tries to put on a friendly sparring mode his last 5 fights or so.

for a guy who chose training over offspring the guy really failed in both aspects. And somehow he has a high ranking as he’s pumped as the next uk star.

 

[pankrat]

Till is mad overrated, never seen a guy so hesitant to enter the pocket at 170 and at 185

Dude, nobody see clear when to enter the pocket vs Gas and Whittaker. Even a former HW in Cannonier hesitates. Actually Till gave them a tougher time at that than most. The question with Till is if he can deal with an elite grappler, not that he can strike.

 

[Pierced7681]

Dude, nobody see clear when to enter the pocket vs Gas and Whittaker. Even a former HW in Cannonier hesitates. Actually Till gave them a tougher time at that than most. The question with Till is if he can deal with an elite grappler, not that he can strike.

His striking is mad overrated, he’s legit afraid to enter the pocket and ran from Gastelum lol