I think I have a solution for alt-right troubles

[stellarborg]

Add dump support for Trump and turn their back on the army of racist online trolls that support them.

That is actually a good point

My post was more of a wishful thinking of what could be if these idiots possessed some kind of basic awareness of political reality or overall discipline

When I look at the stuff that gets posted on alt-right sites, or the donald on reddit, etc, it's like good luck getting these conspiracy freaks to do something rational

 

[HomerThompson]

You and Homer like the OP. Am I missing out on the joke? Is the OP making a funny by intentionally implying Nazism?

He seems to be criticizing the Alt-Right, but in a constructive way. Like I've already said, I think he is underestimating the reactionary, illogical underpinnings of the entire movement.

 

[xcvbn]

Hunh? That's not what I said. I said it's difficult for me to see anything positive coming from what is largely a reactionary movement based on emotion.

I dont think you feel that way, but it's hard for me to believe that's not the feelings of Democratic party leadership and the people they've energized.

 

[TheGreatA]

I'm pretty sure that not being a kiss-ass "mainstream" movement, with a lot of "public support", is the whole point of the so-called "alt-right". It's a bunch of young men testing their boundaries. That the boundaries are now found in criticizing minority groups, feminism, etc., just speaks of how things currently are.

You cannot hope to expect a counter-cultural movement to start appropriating mainstream culture. That goes against the whole point of it.

 

[Fawlty]

You and Homer like the OP. Am I missing out on the joke? Is the OP making a funny by intentionally implying Nazism?

I thought the OP was hilarious in its own way, on a few levels whether intentional or not. What is the call to Nazism that you're seeing? Seems like doing those things is a good idea, for these wandering, malleable fools.

 

[HomerThompson]

I dont think you feel that way, but it's hard for me to believe that's not the feelings of Democratic party leadership and the people they've energized.

Well, talk to them about it then.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

The problem is with painting all people from Islamic countries with the same brush. The same as any other type of xenophobia, or racism. OP actually makes some decent points.

The real problem with his ideas is that most of the Alt-Right appears to be legitimately racist, xenophobic, and reactionary.

They don't care about feminism, protecting jews in Europe, or much of anything, except for their "feelings" about how things are. So, they just react based on information that confirms their existing biases. Tough sledding to get them to make rational decisions.

Sounds like both groups have much in common.

 

[Trotsky]

I thought the OP was hilarious in its own way, on a few levels whether intentional or not. What is the call to Nazism that you're seeing? Seems like doing those things is a good idea, for these wandering, malleable fools.

He seems to be criticizing the Alt-Right, but in a constructive way. Like I've already said, I think he is underestimating the reactionary, illogical underpinnings of the entire movement.

I mean, he's ostensibly describing how the National Socialist Party gained traction through economic populism and strategic appropriation of the very-popular international "socialism" movement, and he's explicitly raising AfD as a member of the coalition and putting their member between Trump and Le Pen (who I trust you are familiar with). If you're not familiar with AfD....this is their Wiki:

The party has been described as a German nationalist,[2][3][4]right-wing populist,[20] and Eurosceptic[6] party. Since about 2015, the AfD has been increasingly open to working with far-right extremist groups such as Pegida.[21] Parts of the AfD have racist,[22]Islamophobic,[23]anti-Semitic[24][25] and xenophobic[11][26][27] tendencies linked to far-right movements such as Neo-Nazism[28][25] and identitarianism.[29][30]

Also, the similarities between the alt-right and the Nazis aren't just fodder for online insults: there are some real ideological overlaps, such as the use of anti-Marxist and anti-communist sentiment ("cultural marxists," etc.) and their completely lack of organizational or economic underpinning apart from identitarian venom.

Also, the "expose BLM for their lies" bit made me think it was maybe tongue-in-cheek, since...well, the Nazis did stuff like that for social organizations.

 

[xcvbn]

Well, talk to them about it then.

You really need to embrace both-sidesism, because it almost always is.

 

[all caps]

I honestly thought you were going to tell them to clean their rooms. Why did you have to go and make good points and shit?

I know you probably laugh at the "clean your room" gimmick becoming a thing.. but dont you think it's sad that so many people need to hear that? Like.. we wonder why people go on these shooting rampages, while also wondering why common sense isn't so common. We are failing ourselves, and laughing at each other while we do it. Inception

 

[Fawlty]

I mean, he's describing how the National Socialist Party gained traction through economic populism and strategic appropriation of the very-popular international "socialism" movement, and he's explicitly raising AfD as a member of the coalition and putting their member between Trump and Le Pen (who I trust you are familiar with). If you're not familiar with AfD....this is their Wiki:

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Okay I might be confused. I took it as satire with a twist. Those young confused people in the West, especially the US, should channel their energy into becoming social progressives and defending the rights of groups who are under attack. They wouldn't be alt-right anymore if they did those things.

 

[Fawlty]

I know you probably laugh at the "clean your room" gimmick becoming a thing.. but dont you think it's sad that so many people need to hear that? Like.. we wonder why people go on these shooting rampages, while also wondering why common sense isn't so common. We are failing ourselves, and laughing at each other while we do it. Inception

I have heard all my life that common sense wasn't common, and the stuff about room cleaning too. I guess that stuff just isn't that big a deal. But when it comes to mass shootings, I think it's a huge mistake to tie that to some weird philosophical dead-ends about archetypes, or to prescription drugs, or to losing Christian values, or whatever. We just don't know.

 

[TheGreatA]

I know you probably laugh at the "clean your room" gimmick becoming a thing.. but dont you think it's sad that so many people need to hear that? Like.. we wonder why people go on these shooting rampages, while also wondering why common sense isn't so common. We are failing ourselves, and laughing at each other while we do it. Inception

I don't think it is sad.

Most people in history would've benefited from "cleaning their room", metaphorically-speaking. We are not, for the most part, built for resolving our internal problems, thus we project them externally.

Almost everybody needs another person to tell them what's wrong with their behaviour, and break down why it continuously leads to undesired results. Someone who is not as invested in the "ego" as the individual himself.

Nothing out of the ordinary there. We are better at explaining and criticizing other people's actions, rather than our own. If we weren't, then well, we might have just evolved to live in solitude, rather than in communities of people. We require others to iron out our deficiencies.

 

[SBJJ]

Usual suspects all over this thread like flies on shit!

Look at em lap that shit up:

It's as if they live in their own little world. Like a group of Dungeons and Dragons players. Trotsky dressed up like a Wizard

 

[stellarborg]

Okay I might be confused. I took it as satire with a twist. Those young confused people in the West, especially the US, should channel their energy into becoming social progressives and defending the rights of groups who are under attack. They wouldn't be alt-right anymore if they did those things.

That's.... not what I meant. I really do fully support progressive values such as women's rights, homosexual rights and progressive economic policies. I also think that unrestricted immigration from third world countries threatens those values and that we should do our best to restrict immigration from countries that do not share those values. I also think that the current movement by American college students and leftists who are trying to undermine trust in our law enforcement and government in general is very harmful to our nation, with the ridiculous white supremacy hysteria. It should be combated and I am glad alt-right is there to do that. On the flip side I also hate the way the American right is trying to tear down our cherished institutions of independent judiciary and media, and tries to undermine general trust in our government.

 

[all caps]

Perhaps a bit off topic - is there such a thing as coating steak in vegetable oil? I've never done it and I wonder if it would give it a crunch... or do anything to it? Am I overthinking this?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

i've certainly never met a Nazi (and i lived i Germany for 3.5 years also, just saying), so I've either
A) never met an Alt Righter in real life
or B) they aren't Nazis.

I have met alot of trolls though

 

[bobgeese]

Stopped reading at Nazi.


If you label anyone who is not killing Jews a Nazi, you’re a moron.

 

[Fawlty]

That's.... not what I meant. I really do fully support progressive values such as women's rights, homosexual rights and progressive economic policies. I also think that unrestricted immigration from third world countries threatens those values and that we should do our best to restrict immigration from countries that do not share those values. I also think that the current movement by American college students and leftists who are trying to undermine trust in our law enforcement and government in general is very harmful to our nation, with the ridiculous white supremacy hysteria. It should be combated and I am glad alt-right is there to do that. On the flip side I also hate the way the American right is trying to tear down our cherished institutions of independent judiciary and media, and tries to undermine general trust in our government.

Overall that would be a big improvement (a few quibbles aside), but I'm surprised you weren't being satirical.

The intellectual character of the movement is clearly not up to the task of moral leadership. They are fit for playing follow the leader.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Also, the similarities between the alt-right and the Nazis aren't just fodder for online insults: there are some real ideological overlaps, such as the use of anti-Marxist and anti-communist sentiment ("cultural marxists," etc.) and their completely lack of organizational or economic underpinning apart from identitarian venom.

Also, the "expose BLM for their lies" bit made me think it was maybe tongue-in-cheek, since...well, the Nazis did stuff like that for social organizations.

You said their were real ideological overlaps between alt right and nazis... your reasoning is them being against communism and BLM lies??

Oh my, those boys sound like literal Nazis