Is Ben Shapiro the Best "political" debater alive?

Ben Shapiro is good at destroying no nothing SJWs but Andrew Wilkow is better at talking policy and history. Plus Andrew actually knows the constitution
 
ben shapiro has a brilliant political mind. i'm an avid listener of his podcast. another brilliant political mind is dinesh d'souza. ben had dinesh on his show a few months back. it was the only time i ever heard ben listen with complete attention and it sounded as if ben was learning something from dinesh. he even went as far as to call dinesh a genius, at least when it comes to the assessment of the democratic party.
 
Zeke's Chaingun said:
Chomsky is a masochist. He's going to be right when our nation fucks something up, because he gets off on self abuse. But the guy fails to see how good our nation is and his self loathing is unbearable .
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That is incorrect. As much as Noam bashes the US, he never fails to mention that it's better than just about any place else to live.
 
TheStruggle said:
Ben Shapiro is good at destroying no nothing SJWs but Andrew Wilkow is better at talking policy and history. Plus Andrew actually knows the constitution
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lol, if you are insinuating that ben does not know the constitution you need to get some facts. Dude knows it very well and is a harvard law grad (just showing he went to a top law school).
If you are insinuating he only debates SJWs see my previous post in thread for education.

It sounds like you might be a trump supporter who hates ben because ben correctly calls out that trump is not a conservative

IIIIIIII said:
ben shapiro has a brilliant political mind. i'm an avid listener of his podcast. another brilliant political mind is dinesh d'souza. ben had dinesh on his show a few months back. it was the only time i ever heard ben listen with complete attention and it sounded as if ben was learning something from dinesh. he even went as far as to call dinesh a genius, at least when it comes to the assessment of the democratic party.
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ben is the man
 
He ought to work on his facial expressions to come off as less dislikeable to the people that he is debating with. He will have a hard time convincing anyone to agree with him, despite usually having the more structured argument factually.

And he needs to drop this naive idea that the way to counter "bullying" is by being the bigger bully.
 
Cenk is pissed at Obama and the liberal party. He called Obama a weak-sauce democrat.

@Jack V Savage I am curious to know your thoughts on Cenk's opinion about Obama being a weak-sauce democrat.

 
TheStruggle said:
Ben Shapiro is good at destroying no nothing SJWs but Andrew Wilkow is better at talking policy and history. Plus Andrew actually knows the constitution
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Name a liberal who actually knows something substantial. I cannot think of anyone.
 
Goonerview said:


This talk was pretty good.

I like Ben Shapiro, but, I thought he kind of sold out with his anti-Trump stance.
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He gets taken down my anyone worth a damn. The guy provides arguments that sound nice but have little concrete backing. In a debate with someone like Hitchens or Chomsky, he would just be pulled into deep water where he would find his theories and ideas have little backing. Ben Shapiro is a demagogue and nothing more. If you want to see what an argument between an academic or someone who provides well supported arguments and a demagogue, go read the correspondence between Chomsky and Sam Harris. It basically amounts to one being flustered as to why he has to point out obvious logical inconsistencies in the others argument and the other feeling proud and righteous for pointing out what he just knows in his bones (little factual support but sounds nice) to be right.
 
Roger Scruton on why Trump won the election.

@1:38 In America, as in Britain, the indigenous working class has been put out of mind, even overtly disparaged, by the media and the political class. All attempts to give voice to their anxieties over immigration, over the impact on their lives of globalization and the spread of liberal conceptions of sex, marriage and the family have been dismissed or silenced...The working class have been castigated with gross and ill-considered abuse.

@5:32 "[Trump has] none of the charismatic authority that enabled Obama to turn the focus of American political culture away from capitalist enterprise towards the welfare socialist state."

 
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saw ben once on cnn debating piers morgan. he's well spoken and a good lookin guy, but he did not do well that debate and maybe even lost to Piers Morgan of all people. From that one time I saw him I saw a lot of potential but he got flustered in that debate and didnt do well.
 
Pixelated Porn said:
lol, if you are insinuating that ben does not know the constitution you need to get some facts. Dude knows it very well and is a harvard law grad (just showing he went to a top law school).
If you are insinuating he only debates SJWs see my previous post in thread for education.

It sounds like you might be a trump supporter who hates ben because ben correctly calls out that trump is not a conservative
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Trump isn't a conservative, never thought he was. He's a nationalist who wants to do what's best from his country. Most of his policies are in favor of what conservatives what. This is where Ben becomes disingenuous, he let's his bias with Trump and Breitbart get in the way of his better judgement. Andrew is as right as it comes and even he understands this. A Hillary win would have meant the end of the conservative movement not because of Trump but because Hillary's policies would have killed it. And Andrew lives in New Jersey, a strong blue state and still voted for him because of it and didn't take the moral high ground like Ben did in California. As far as arguments go, Ben deals with alot of dumbass SJWs from college who don't know shit. Andrew has a daily radio show which requires his arguments to be strong and he prides himself on having unbreakable arguments based on the US Constitution and fact. I would recommend listening to his show on Sirius if you can.
 
CableandThanos said:
In the IR front he said it is a baseless boogeyman that the left uses to make up for any reason someone didn't succeed. He continually say, show me a racist policy, person, action etc, and i will fight it with you. But don't just throw out some platitude about IR. I can't do anything about a feeling or a non tangible issue.



And him getting involved in a situation with a coworker has nothing to do with him telling people that facts matter not their buthurt notion of social justice.
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TheGreatA said:
He ought to work on his facial expressions to come off as less dislikeable to the people that he is debating with. He will have a hard time convincing anyone to agree with him, despite usually having the more structured argument factually.

And he needs to drop this naive idea that the way to counter "bullying" is by being the bigger bully.
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I've never actually seen Shapiro make an argument. He throws out opinions and assertions that might make sense to the politically lay person, and nothing more.
 
Workers United said:
I've never actually seen Shapiro make an argument. He throws out opinions and assertions that might make sense to the politically lay person, and nothing more.
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He has an "argument" compared to most of the people that he usually argues with, which usually aren't the kind of people who have any kind of an academic background or interest in backing up their point of view with evidence.

If you're debating someone whose arguments come out of an emotional position, who is going off by their "gut instinct" and internal feeling of right and wrong, making a good impression is of first importance. Those are the kind of people that Shapiro and the likes of him are usually debating against. Shapiro usually comes off as antagonistic, thus he doesn't really succeed in convincing his opposition to re-consider their point of view, regardless of whether he is being factually more correct or not.

I don't really see his worth as being much more than a preacher to the choir. If you agree with his stances, you're likely to think that he is a good debater, while if you're against his stances, you're likely to think that he's a prick. If you're indifferent towards his views, then you're probably not going to be overly impressed one way or the other.
 
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Workers United said:
See, you are using a joke to divert from the fact you are way in over your head with this stuff, just like Shapiro. I would love nothing more than to debate his sorry ass.
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From the way you talk, I get the impression you are in Academia, you should contact the republican party group at the university you work and I bet there is a very good chance they could set up a debate between you and Shapiro.
 
soonerphil said:
From the way you talk, I get the impression you are in Academia, you should contact the republican party group at the university you work and I bet there is a very good chance they could set up a debate between you and Shapiro.
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The republican party groups are too busy wetting their pants every time I'm in the same room as them to be able to organize a debate.

As for Shaprio, lets just say him and I have crossed paths before. I'll leave it at that.
 
Workers United said:
The republican party groups are too busy wetting their pants every time I'm in the same room as them to be able to organize a debate.

As for Shaprio, lets just say him and I have crossed paths before. I'll leave it at that.
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You're so intellectually intimidating to them, they would be scared to watch you debate someone not in their group?

You're the one who said you would love to debate him.
 
soonerphil said:
You're so intellectually intimidating to them, they would be scared to watch you debate someone not in their group?

You're the one who said you would love to debate him.
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I would absolutely love to debate him. I would annihilate him.
 
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