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Isn't marcelo in the category of guys who called the kimura a strong-man move?
Did he say it too?
Either way there's plenty of scrawny guys with great kimura trap games.
Isn't marcelo in the category of guys who called the kimura a strong-man move?
Yes, very. He was the grappling coach at Xtreme Couture for a while as well
from what ive always heard he came up in hayastan and was always legit, he could never compete because of an immune system illness where he could go blind or something if he was stressed too much
Yep, he did. Ironically, I guess a lot of people chalked Jacare's kimura win over him to strength.Isn't marcelo in the category of guys who called the kimura a strong-man move?
In all seriousness, when's the last time we've seen a smaller guy win via kimura against a much heavier guy? I don't follow sport BJJ all that much.Yep, he did. Ironically, I guess a lot of people chalked Jacare's kimura win over him to strength.
Good question. This isn't quite what you were asking for but Sakuraba successfully utilized Kimuras quite often against much bigger opponents, though he didn't necessarily finish with the Kimura itself but more often with an armbar that he transitioned to from a Kimura. His chokeout of Rampage came at the end of a chain that began with a Kimura takedown.In all seriousness, when's the last time we've seen a smaller guy win via kimura against a much heavier guy? I don't follow sport BJJ all that much.
In all seriousness, when's the last time we've seen a smaller guy win via kimura against a much heavier guy? I don't follow sport BJJ all that much.
He is a student of Karo Parisyan so is legit in that his lineage goes via Gokor and Gene LaBell.
He has no competition credentials though so in that sense he is no more, and no less legit as a catch wrester than Tony Cecchine. They are in the same category.
Didn't he lose some of sight and have to get some toes removed because of it?from what ive always heard he came up in hayastan and was always legit, he could never compete because of an immune system illness where he could go blind or something if he was stressed too much
Yes, if I recall it was that 5"4 midget Rogan and his guru Eddie Bravo who were overcompensating in trying to bury Cecchine, a tough and legit mofo with legit submission skills who could also box, wrestle and would have buried either of them in any kind of real fight.Somewhat tangential; there was a lot of controversy around Tony Cecchine around the late 00s to early 10s, but at the end of the day... he really was knowledgeable and showing some of the good shit.
Kind of like Scott Sonnon, some guy of murky provenance comes out ahead of the curve showing things that would eventually be popularized by other guys later in time.
Yes, if I recall it was that 5"4 midget Rogan and his guru Eddie Bravo who were overcompensating in trying to bury Cecchine, a tough and legit mofo with legit submission skills who could also box, wrestle and would have buried either of them in any kind of real fight.
It was also a trend of BJJers trying to discredit anything catch related, a trick which largely worked and then on the sly they later decide to adopt catch techniques with a submission only rules set and all of a sudden we have 'nogi BJJ with leg locks'.
Trickery and marketing at its best.
I doubt Randleman was heavier than Fedor, though. More ripped and muscular, sure. But not heavier.Fedor vs Randleman comes to mind.
Who knows how accurate it is, but Fedor was listed as 237 and Kevin at 228.I doubt Randleman was heavier than Fedor, though. More ripped and muscular, sure. But not heavier.
I mean, I'd presume Fedor was heavier, but Pride's weights should never be taken very seriously.Who knows how accurate it is, but Fedor was listed as 237 and Kevin at 228.
Which techniques did you take to be silly? The stopper toe-hold...? I think that's one that is actually applicable, just not super-common. But it can definitely come up, especially out of a same-side leg-control position, when someone tries to turn out. Anyway, just guessing because that was one of the more "off beat" moves.The problem with Tony Cecchine, and I watched a few of his instructional back in the day, is that he shows a lot of dubious or gimmicky moves alongside legitimate techniques. I don't know if this is an issue with Catch itself, having a history intertwined with professional/carnival wrestling, with show holds being taught alongside martially viable techniques or whether it's Tony himself just liking to show exotic moves. It's easy to see him showing something dubious, and throw out the baby with the bathwater.
It's been a long time since I've watched any of his instructionals, probably last when I was a blue belt back in 2012 or so. I recall raising an eyebrow at some of the techniques he showed, while others were very solid.Which techniques did you take to be silly? The stopper toe-hold...? I think that's one that is actually applicable, just not super-common. But it can definitely come up, especially out of a same-side leg-control position, when someone tries to turn out. Anyway, just guessing because that was one of the more "off beat" moves.