Is this accurate about electric cars?

[is normal]

In 50 years, grade school children will be eating rats in the underground sewers

Ftfy

 

[Grassshoppa]

The OP is a cut and paste from:
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-510106-1.html

It appears we have a cyber sleuth in our midst. Angela Lansberry - watch out!

This was a random email forward that was sent to me. I had no idea where it came from. Apparently I should have disclaimed that in my original post so all the fact checkers wouldn't lynch me.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

LIAR. I have PG&E in California and have pretty much the highest electricity prices in the nation. Baseline tier 1 is .20 kwh. Even if you hit tier 3 and have the highest rate in the nation it is 40 cents a kWh.

Nobdy pays $1.16 per kWh, that is A FULL DOLLAR more than average Americans pay.


lmao, and residential solar is growing at a similar rate to electric car adoption. This will ease infrastructure problems like what is happening in CA. PG&E has been cancelling projects and infrastructure upgrades because of solar generation is easing the burden.

Yeah, I just did the math on my bill - $0.113/kw.

So using OP numbers for everything else it would cost about 3cent/mile to operate the Volt.

 

[ToxicShocker]

Apparently I should have disclaimed that in my original post so all the fact checkers wouldn't lynch me.

God forbid people try and do research to make well informed opinions. Perhaps you shouldn't be regurgitating chain emails.

 

[Grassshoppa]

God forbid people try and do research to make well informed opinions. Perhaps you shouldn't be regurgitating chain emails.

You are correct sir. That's why I posed a question in the title. I should have put it in the post too and said, "Is this random email forward true or a bunch of shit!?"

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Your “genius elected officials” are listening to organizations like NASA who have explained in quite through detail that carbon traps heat and that mass amounts of carbon are warming the planet - and will continue to do so the point of mass destruction.

Sorry about how expensive it might get to prevent that.

Yeah, I mean of course it’s somewhat inefficient. It is a relatively new technology. It isn’t as if the Ford Model T was as efficient as today’s vehicles. But it is a step in the right direction if we want to reduce carbon emissions, which needs to happen. And it isn’t as if nobody knows that electricity is generated in large part by fossil fuels. But they are also working on ways to generate electricity in ways that don’t pollute, which dumbasses are also fighting against with sentiments like the OP. The goal is to have electric vehicles which use electricity that was created by wind, solar, and other green methods.

 

[cooks1]

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats.

Is it even less efficient than waiting for millions and millions of years for plants and animals to die and turn into a black ooze which must then must be harvested in a messy way, then converted into fuel, at which point it is burned at great expense to the planet and it's climate?

But hey, maybe I have it wrong. Maybe we should just go ahead and hinge the daily life and survival of the entire planet on a finite resource.

 

[rj144]

It appears we have a cyber sleuth in our midst. Angela Lansberry - watch out!

This was a random email forward that was sent to me. I had no idea where it came from. Apparently I should have disclaimed that in my original post so all the fact checkers wouldn't lynch me.

But you didn't write the OP, correct?

 

[RockstarChris]

my friend had to get rid of their prius because they couldnt afford to replace a $7000 battery. its funny cause its true

 

[Grassshoppa]

But you didn't write the OP, correct?

Correct.

 

[rj144]

Correct.

Forum or not, it's shady as fuck to just steal someone else's word without noting it.

 

[Grassshoppa]

Forum or not, it's shady as fuck to just steal someone else's word without noting it.

I did not realize posting in forums was such serious business. Original post amended with a disclaimer at the top.

 

[rj144]

I did not realize posting in forums was such serious business. Original post amended with a disclaimer at the top.

You don't think posting someone else's words as yours isn't shady?

 

[Grassshoppa]

You don't think posting someone else's words as yours isn't shady?

I didn't even think about it. I suppose I assumed it would be implied that those weren't my words since I don't type like that. It was not my intention to pretend those were my words.

 

[Trotsky]

Derp all you want, Co2 could be much higher than it currently is and we would be fine. You guys are chicken littles.

Again: https://www.skepticalscience.com/CO2-has-been-higher-in-the-past.html.

You could make similar statement for any time someone makes an abbreviated remark on climate change contributors without attaching a compendium of clarification.

I'd rather be one of those pussies who is afraid of ecological disaster than some dummy purporting to discredit broad scientific consensus on spurious bases that can easily be discredited with a quick Google search.

 

[I Am Legion]

The world was more polluted when we rode horses. Those fuckers shit and piss and farted up a storm. Flies were rampant as was Dead horse carcasses. Lets be happy with cars, but look for clean renewable fuel sources besides electricity, which is not now, or never will be, clean.

 

[HIMBOB]

I will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from a gasoline powered vehicle. Nothing to do with environment or cost, I just fucking love driving vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine.

Been in a Tesla 2? Seriously impressive

There are several things wrong with the original post but most notably, the price of electricity. Currently, electric vehicles make up about 2% of the new vehicles sold and less than 1% of the vehicles on the road. In those small numbers, they don't have much influence on anything yet.

If you drive a vehicle the average of 12,000 miles per year and get the average 23 mpg you would use 522 gallons/year. Depending on the state you buy gas in, you would pay between $64 and $263 per year for gas tax. As long as there are only a few electric cars, states don't notice the difference. Some states have a fee for electric cars and others are considering it as electric vehicle sales increase.


Electric rates vary from 9.4 to 19.1 cents per kilowatt in the continental US and 30.75 cents in Hawaii. There are daytime and nighttime rates because there is less electricity used at night so the power companies try to encourage nighttime use to cut down the high daytime demand. As long as there are only a few electric vehicles, the nighttime demand won't increase by much. If every vehicle was electric, the nighttime demand would increase exponentially and those discounts would likely end.

Solar and wind power can be used but they have high up front costs and no long term record of usable life. Solar won't charge a vehicle at night so a battery needs to be charged during the day. The wind doesn't always blow so it can't be heavily relied on. It's probably cheaper to buy electricity from a power company in most states than to buy a wind/solar/battery system.

When more materials are needed for more batteries for vehicles and homes, it might up the cost of batteries.

As with anything, there are often unforeseen consequences.

In Australia the payback period for solar installation is 5 to 9 years. Useful life guaranteed is 20 years.

Thus after 9 years using solar you are in profit.

Disregarding the environmental and energy security benefits it's a good investment.

 

[HIMBOB]

It appears we have a cyber sleuth in our midst. Angela Lansberry - watch out!

This was a random email forward that was sent to me. I had no idea where it came from. Apparently I should have disclaimed that in my original post so all the fact checkers wouldn't lynch me.

Well I suggest you unsubscribe.

You don't need your mind polluted with such bullshit.

 

[JerichoMelenko]

Gas is cheaper then electric. Its all you tree huggers ruining everything!

 

[tdluxon]

*Edit - the text below was sent to me as an email forward. Author unknown. Don't know if it's true or not, just wondering.*

INTERESTING - ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!


In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I’ve ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus. So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

Where the hell are are you paying $1.16 per kw. That's like 8-10x normal prices?

You and the neighbors should file a class action on the power company!