Karate is becoming the Alpha base for UFC greatness. (Proof in Video Blog and Notes)

[Legendary]

Boxing supplemented with some type of kicking style (TKD, MT, Karate, etc) is the best striking style.

Wrestling supplemented with BJJ training is the best grappling style.

 

[frontkick1]

I won’t claim to be a historian or anything but afaik, based on what my Goju Ryu Sensei taught, he developed his style from both Shotokan and Goju...regardless I stand by my gifs of Hall’s highlights, his “Alpha Base” is Karate.

absolutly but still these facts are incomplete, some move were taken from muay tai fighters.
try to make some research and find some read about the history of mas oyama

 

[boss429]

Look at all of the current champs. Do any of them have karate as their “alpha base?”

No. In fact, majority of them have wrestling as their base. That’s the true alpha base in terms of success in the ufc today.

Nah. Every current champ with the exception on DC at LHW and Khabib won there most resent fight using Boxing. Boxing is an always will be the greatest combat skill with Wresling being the best secondary skill.

It can even be argued Khabib won primarily with his Boxing (mainly jab) since after round 2 he really didn't have much success with TDs.

Just look how much of a game changer a good jab is in MMA. That alone can control a fight since the most basic technique in Boxing seems like the hardest thing in the world for the majority of fighter to utilize.

 

[Blayt7hh]

A handful of athletes have been able to adapt their karate game to mma. That is it. There is no karate takeover. I don’t know where this bjj is fake bs is coming from. If Sage spent a little more time doing bjj he might have avoided some of those losses

 

[SeverianB]

Is there another angle on the second gif? just for thread subject research...

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

Karate is strong

wtf is the point in this?

 

[mutombo]

 

[Irresponsible Dad]

I would be pissed if my dad put a video of me losing on the internet

He said he gets no views on his blog. He’s like any other kid thinks views mean something. Now thanks to you guys he has way more views than all his friends blogs lol (all 200 of them) you guys have him thinking he’s famous.

Anyways that kid was bigger, older and athletic. He should have won but that wasn’t that embarrassing of a loss.

But the content is real... if you don’t have access to a pure mma gym/mma smokers (rare to find) karate training with consistent tournament participation is becoming the best path for mma success.

 

[ralek4grammy]

TS, you may have never been around Kyokushin / Ashihara guys before? Just wondering.

 

[DoctorUshiro]

Two thing I noticed...your kid's opponent seemed significantly taller, which may have more to do with the disadvantage than the karate style. And also....maybe I'm missing something but why are shoes allowed when using kicks?

Those are Ringstar sparring shoes, a lot of people uses them in sport karate

 

[MM808]

Nah. Every current champ with the exception on DC at LHW and Khabib won there most resent fight using Boxing. Boxing is an always will be the greatest combat skill with Wresling being the best secondary skill.

It can even be argued Khabib won primarily with his Boxing (mainly jab) since after round 2 he really didn't have much success with TDs.

Just look how much of a game changer a good jab is in MMA. That alone can control a fight since the most basic technique in Boxing seems like the hardest thing in the world for the majority of fighter to utilize.

I think both are the main base for most fighters. Got no problem with that

 

[fortheo]

Current UFC champs with karate backgrounds:

1. N/A
2. N/A
3. N/A

Whittaker? he did Karate for like a decade and it's what started it all for him and it is still very present in his style.

 

[fortheo]

Look no further than the only champion on the current UFC roster that is a karate black belt, Rose Namajunas. She didn't become a top level striker until she adopted boxing as her main form of striking. Since she adopted and developed her boxing, she beat who many believed was the best technical striker in WMMA twice in standup fights. Not to mention, for this thread specifically, she completely dominated a Karate specialist in Michelle Waterson.

A problem with Karate in MMA is that it is not a high damage martial art, and professional MMA is scored by damage. GSP didn't win fights because of his karate, he won because of his wrestling. Karate is a fine base for wrestlers if you're looking to be someone to get it to the ground, which is why Cejudo adopted it. He easily lost every round to DJ that he didn't get a takedown, and only won those rounds questionably because of the takedowns.

Whittaker....

Boxing supplemented with some type of kicking style (TKD, MT, Karate, etc) is the best striking style.

Wrestling supplemented with BJJ training is the best grappling style.

yep, hence why Whittaker is doing so well. mixes solid boxing fundamentals with blitzes and kicks from his Karate base.

 

[DrunkMonkMeth]

It has almost completed a full circle. From creating the worst (most delusional) fighters in the world to quickly becoming the best combat sport to prepare you for UFC.



I trained TKD for about 5 years. UFC popped up, showed me the light, I switched to MMA and I’ve been bashing karate ever since (20 years now).

This past weekend I found out Karate is back.

(Disclaimer: I know everyone will say the best way to train for UFC is training MMA. That is only possible for a small amount of people. For non-pros, kids and newbies the high level MMA training (equivalent to Junior Olympic/Collegiate/National) and widespread availability of (smoker/Kids) MMA fights is limited to small areas in Cali or Vegas. You can find super high level Boxing, Wrestling, karate, BJJ competitions and coaches in most areas. Unless you are lucky, if you want world class specialized training you must pick a base of Karate, Boxing, Wrestling or BJJ)

Proof of my epiphany in order of occurrence:
1. My kid lost a PointMMA match to a karate kid
My kid is a high level youth BBJ, Boxer, and Wrestler he should destroy a karate kid. Check out the video to see my little beast lose to Karate Kid in a PointMMA match.

2. Continuous Sparring
At the karate tournament I walked around and watched continuous sparring. Take a look at the video to see a couple quick shots I took of the action. It has completely changed. It looks like kick boxing. Most of the fighters wore kickboxing gear (instead of the crappy foam Karate stuff). They were good fights, they hit each other hard and each karate guy fought multiple matches far exceeding the one fight you get per two months in Boxing/MT. They put in years’ worth of ring time in one day.

3. Karate Combat
After the tournament I looked up Karate Combat in Athens, Greece. 8 fights 8 finishes, all black belt karate peeps, in karate stance, wearing MMA gloves, using boxing, wrestling, kickboxing and Karate to win the fight. The event was legit and the karate fighters were legit. It looked much closer to MMA than Muay Tia, K1, any type of Grappling event or other combat sport competition. Some of these dojo monkeys looked ready for UFC.

4. PointMMA
I researched local karate gyms and they have all started doing BJJ, and MMA on top of their karate curriculum. They even do PointMMA sparring were you get bracket tournament style modified MMA matches. The PointMMA tournament my kid was in had people fighting up to 5 times in one day. I saw Broken teeth, broken nose, shoulder dislocation, knockouts... it was brutal. The total opposite of what karate was before. It was raw and the closest thing to MMA I’ve ever seen in a local unsanctioned setting.

5. Wonderboy and Sage Northcutt
I re-watched Wonderboy and Sage Northcutt’s fights. I used to think their success was due to a switch to MMA training along with the distance management they learned from karate. After going to these Karate Tournaments and seeing how sparring has changed... i think they learned to fight though karate.

6. Henry Cejudo
I Listen to our new Flyweight champ Henry Cejudo on UFC Unfiltered talking about fighting in a karate stance, rather than a typical boxing stance . He says he’s switched to a karate style??? A boxer wrestler switched to a karate stance to win the UFC belt.

Karate is back and has evolved into a legitimate way to become a successful UFC fighter.

My current rank order of useful combat sports (with consistent completion participation) to become a UFC Fighter:
1.Wrestling
2.Karate
3.Boxing
4.Muay Thai
5.BJJ (has replaced karate as the new Mc dojo useless martial art)

What is your order of combat style usefulness?

I predict we will soon complete the circle:
Year 2010: BBJ own Karate
Year 2020: Karate owns BBJ

Mcdojos make karate tkd and the like look bad and unaffective but if you train and a real good dojo you will learn fighting fundimentals that you can easily take into mma.

I trained tkd as a kid also and the master of the dojo was a crazy romanian guy who was also a really good wrestler and judo practioner and hed use some of the exercises in his tkd class after or before we went sparring. We sparred every class with atleast 3 different classmates and usually ended the night with wrestling or judo throws.

When a became a young teen my interest in mma took me to muay thai though it wss a big big change in technique and style as i took more classes at the mma gym boxing, jiujitsu or the pure mma class i learned to bring back alot of what u learned from tkd to give me an edge against everyone else learning the same systems as me.

A good example was drilling kicks.. in muaythai the kicks are momenteum and brute force. While tkd uses more snapping of the joints. When i added that into my muay thai kicks my powe became much more impressive and my kicks turns from hammer swings to a whip with a hammer at the end.

 

[Taric]

 

[Irresponsible Dad]

No mention of lyoto? He put karate on the map and is still getting spectacular KOs at 40 years old

Yes, I totally skipped him. He definitely started the karate trend. I thought he was like the other karate guys and was just an athlete who learned mma to win fights. I do believe now his karate base is what got him to the top.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...-gegard-mousasi-mma-technique-shotokan-ko-gif

Analysis of his style.

 

[Irresponsible Dad]

TS, you may have never been around Kyokushin / Ashihara guys before? Just wondering.

Negative. Isn’t that GSPs style. I have little knowledge of Karate styles other then tkd and the American Shotokan/Kempo type stuff.

What is important about those styles?

 

[ANIM4L]

Karate is evolving in Japan as evidenced by Ganryujima

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

1. Wrestling
2. Muay Thai

 

[mxer31]

It has almost completed a full circle. From creating the worst (most delusional) fighters in the world to quickly becoming the best combat sport to prepare you for UFC.



I trained TKD for about 5 years. UFC popped up, showed me the light, I switched to MMA and I’ve been bashing karate ever since (20 years now).

This past weekend I found out Karate is back.

(Disclaimer: I know everyone will say the best way to train for UFC is training MMA. That is only possible for a small amount of people. For non-pros, kids and newbies the high level MMA training (equivalent to Junior Olympic/Collegiate/National) and widespread availability of (smoker/Kids) MMA fights is limited to small areas in Cali or Vegas. You can find super high level Boxing, Wrestling, karate, BJJ competitions and coaches in most areas. Unless you are lucky, if you want world class specialized training you must pick a base of Karate, Boxing, Wrestling or BJJ)

Proof of my epiphany in order of occurrence:
1. My kid lost a PointMMA match to a karate kid
My kid is a high level youth BBJ, Boxer, and Wrestler he should destroy a karate kid. Check out the video to see my little beast lose to Karate Kid in a PointMMA match.

2. Continuous Sparring
At the karate tournament I walked around and watched continuous sparring. Take a look at the video to see a couple quick shots I took of the action. It has completely changed. It looks like kick boxing. Most of the fighters wore kickboxing gear (instead of the crappy foam Karate stuff). They were good fights, they hit each other hard and each karate guy fought multiple matches far exceeding the one fight you get per two months in Boxing/MT. They put in years’ worth of ring time in one day.

3. Karate Combat
After the tournament I looked up Karate Combat in Athens, Greece. 8 fights 8 finishes, all black belt karate peeps, in karate stance, wearing MMA gloves, using boxing, wrestling, kickboxing and Karate to win the fight. The event was legit and the karate fighters were legit. It looked much closer to MMA than Muay Tia, K1, any type of Grappling event or other combat sport competition. Some of these dojo monkeys looked ready for UFC.

4. PointMMA
I researched local karate gyms and they have all started doing BJJ, and MMA on top of their karate curriculum. They even do PointMMA sparring were you get bracket tournament style modified MMA matches. The PointMMA tournament my kid was in had people fighting up to 5 times in one day. I saw Broken teeth, broken nose, shoulder dislocation, knockouts... it was brutal. The total opposite of what karate was before. It was raw and the closest thing to MMA I’ve ever seen in a local unsanctioned setting.

5. Wonderboy and Sage Northcutt
I re-watched Wonderboy and Sage Northcutt’s fights. I used to think their success was due to a switch to MMA training along with the distance management they learned from karate. After going to these Karate Tournaments and seeing how sparring has changed... i think they learned to fight though karate.

6. Henry Cejudo
I Listen to our new Flyweight champ Henry Cejudo on UFC Unfiltered talking about fighting in a karate stance, rather than a typical boxing stance . He says he’s switched to a karate style??? A boxer wrestler switched to a karate stance to win the UFC belt.

Karate is back and has evolved into a legitimate way to become a successful UFC fighter.

My current rank order of useful combat sports (with consistent completion participation) to become a UFC Fighter:
1.Wrestling
2.Karate
3.Boxing
4.Muay Thai
5.BJJ (has replaced karate as the new Mc dojo useless martial art)

What is your order of combat style usefulness?

I predict we will soon complete the circle:
Year 2010: BBJ own Karate
Year 2020: Karate owns BBJ

BBJ?