Maia Prayer Vigil

Zankou said:
Gameplan was never going to work. Sad.
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He should have worked on pulling guard more. But I don't know what to do against a guy like that that is just trying not to get taken down and threw a few punches here in there
 
mattemate said:
He should have worked on pulling guard more. But I don't know what to do against a guy like that that is just trying not to get taken down and threw a few punches here in there
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He had a good recipe and he was doing the right stuff. Fear of the takedown made dude timid and kept him from unloading. Maia used it to throw a lot of power shots. He just wasn't good enough to connect with them, imo.
 
mattemate said:
He should have worked on pulling guard more. But I don't know what to do against a guy like that is just trying not to get taken down and threw a few punches here in there
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how can he when he cant get close enough, besides it would have gotten stuffed and they were sweaty. Tyrons td defence is way to good
24 takedowns attempted and 0 landed
Woodley hurt him in the first round, u can see thoose brusied eyes
 
mattemate said:
He should have worked on pulling guard more. But I don't know what to do against a guy like that that is just trying not to get taken down and threw a few punches here in there
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Of course anyone can say anything, but I continue to think woodley can be outpointed on his feet. Instead of banging it out. And then capitalize with more judicious clinching. Trading power shots and spamming TDs was like the easiest of all strategies for Woodley to counter.
 
Man I wish Mai would have just unloaded with barages of kicks to Woodleys legs and head. I bet if Woodley got tagged his instincts would have been to a grab a leg and then boom, Mai's world. But sadly he through about two the whole damn fight. Mais shots were so shit and telegraphed that Lt. Dan could have defended them.
 
2 out of 3 phases. The usual recipe for success. Striking, takedown, ground. Woodley was far superior in the striking and takedowns, so the ground never materialized.
 
Honestly Woodley is head and shoulders above Maia overall as a fighter
 
Ishaq said:
Worst possible match up stylistically for Maia. Woodley will fight the same way he fought Wonderboy. Not engage and stay far from danger. Maia struggled against Masvidal and I just can't see him taking Woodley down.

1. Woodley's disengaging fight strategy.
2. Woodley's wrestling background.
3. Woodley's power and athleticism.

All the above mean it's going to be a long frustrating night for Maia and the fans.
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Hate to say but I called it. Anyone who believed Maia could take Woodley down was delusional.

So sad
 
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Boring ass fight but unluckily our man Maia couldn't get anything going. I'll still always support him!
 
mattemate said:
He should have worked on pulling guard more. But I don't know what to do against a guy like that that is just trying not to get taken down and threw a few punches here in there
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Let's be real for a moment, trying to pull guard has even less control and would be even less likely to succeed.

If you like winning, you use the best weapons. If you opponent can beat you when you are using your best weapons, chances are, he'd beat you even worse if you tried another more marginal strategy. What we saw last night was a further example of the paramount import wrestling ability has on nearly all aspects of mixed martial arts success.

It also illustrated another point i've also sometimes made: good takedowns doesn't necessarily mean a good clinch.

Look back again at the Jake Shields fight for example; Shields as well was largely unsuccessful at putting Woodley on the ground, but in the end this was not disastrous for Shields, because he was still beating him up against the cage.

If you have a strong clinch, you can use it to fight anyone practically regardless of their skillset. At worst, it is strength vs strength against someone who is also strong in the clinch.

Something else that was a factor in that fight was the fact that in the moments where they broke apart into space, Jake would spam kicks at range rather than trade at punching distance. The Ryan Hall strategy makes itself evident here.

It should be noted that each of these things are things that Shields himself was not particularly good at, but it was enough to bring him to victory anyways. The operation of magic is to emphasize the essence; greater power comes from taking the dynamics, underlying trends at work, and highlighting them, intensifying them.
 
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Maia needed to pump that jab more. Double and triple it up to get inside. I think he was cautious though because every time he got close, Tyron throws that bomb.

Someone with a better jab like Rory can win that way. I love how Maia improved his takedown game the last few years. Not sure if he has enough time to work on his boxing and his jab to get onto takedown range, but that was obviously his problem last night. He wasnt able to use his strikes to set up his takedowns. His striking was very ineffective.
 
Now we are back to staying on your feet is the dominant range of combat.
Miami made a good run, but grappling is only effective if u can ground your opponent.
 
CFGroup said:
Now we are back to staying on your feet is the dominant range of combat.
Miami made a good run, but grappling is only effective if u can ground your opponent.
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I think that's a little harsh. I think the conventional wisdom that still holds true, is that the better grappler can choose if the fight is a standup fight, or not, just like how in boxing, the better brawler has the option of fighting on the outside, while a weak brawler has to take what's given.
 
CFGroup said:
Now we are back to staying on your feet is the dominant range of combat.
Miami made a good run, but grappling is only effective if u can ground your opponent.
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No. A well rounded is dominant in MMA. You need to be a specialist in atleast two of the three segments of MMA to be a champion.

If your BJJ sucks, your wrestling(takedown defence) and striking need to be amazing.

If your striking sucks, your Wrestling and BJJ need to be amazing. Unfortunately in this fight, Woodley was stronger than Maia in two aspects.

Woodley's wrestling stopped him from losing and his striking won him the decision.
 
rmongler said:
Let's be real for a moment, trying to pull guard has even less control and would be even less likely to succeed.

If you like winning, you use the best weapons. If you opponent can beat you when you are using your best weapons, chances are, he'd beat you even worse if you tried another more marginal strategy. What we saw last night was a further example of the paramount import wrestling ability has on nearly all aspects of mixed martial arts success.

It also illustrated another point i've also sometimes made: good takedowns doesn't necessarily mean a good clinch.

Look back again at the Jake Shields fight for example; Shields as well was largely unsuccessful at putting Woodley on the ground, but in the end this was not disastrous for Shields, because he was still beating him up against the cage.

If you have a strong clinch, you can use it to fight anyone practically regardless of their skillset. At worst, it is strength vs strength against someone who is also strong in the clinch.

Something else that was a factor in that fight was the fact that in the moments where they broke apart into space, Jake would spam kicks at range rather than trade at punching distance. The Ryan Hall strategy makes itself evident here.

It should be noted that each of these things are things that Shields himself was not particularly good at, but it was enough to bring him to victory anyways. The operation of magic is to emphasize the essence; greater power comes from taking the dynamics, underlying trends at work, and highlighting them, intensifying them.
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Exactly. This is what I meant by point fighting .... calling it Ryan Hall strategy is maybe more specific.
 
I'm not really disappointed. I thought Maia fought well, Woodley fought better. The fight certainly didn't win either any fans, but I think it's just a testament to the fact that the margin for error was so small on both sides.
 
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