max holloway has shown again jiu jitsu has major flaws

[doubleg]

it is not useful because everyone knows it, so they know how to defend against it.
But on the other hand, it is useful enought that IF you don't know, everyone can capitalize against you.

Bjj is gay

 

[Shaddows]

Bjj is gay

 

[true_fan]

It’s actually much easier to take someone down who’s trying to punch you. In the face rather than just grappling, if this was the case, grapplers wouldn’t rule mma, pure strikers would own grapplers cause you know, you just gotta punch them in the face.

That it is not true, at all.

Yeah but this mma and knowing the basics to stop a take down plus punching! Why do I have to explain this when it’s common knowledge dude! You know mma trains almost everything

 

[true_fan]

Yeah but this mma and knowing the basics to stop a take down plus punching! Why do I have to explain this when it’s common knowledge dude! You know mma trains almost everything

Plus keeping you at bay while punching u makes lots of sense!

 

[Bookfreak]

BJJ is a great art. If you describe it as an art purely for ground fighting than its oke to say its almost flawless. But for MMA you need the wrestling to supplement it

 

[Wicked_1]

Maia has the best single leg in the division, and it isn’t even close, but even the best single in the division isn’t enough for a 40 years old dude who everyone knows that’s all his got to take you down, well that and pulling half guard... sadly for daMian no one wants to grapple with him, so as soon as someone makes contact with him, they just get the hell out, that’s how twood Colby and usman beat him

It would be pretty stupid to try to grapple with him if u can in any way avoid the takedown. If he had khabibs takedowns he would be champ. Relying on the single doesn't give u many options. Like u say they all try to avoid it like the plague. His striking was improving, just too little to late. He is the man on the ground tho.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Yeah but this mma and knowing the basics to stop a take down plus punching! Why do I have to explain this when it’s common knowledge dude! You know mma trains almost everything

Still not true, stoping a td has nothing to do with punching someone. Actually grapplers all the time fish for someone trying to puch to level change or get to a clinch or whatever, it gets complicated when the other person is in full defensive mode... now of course being a great puncher plus having sommslick tdd is better, but still is the great sprawl or tdd of any kind what’s going to keep you up, not the punching.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

It would be pretty stupid to try to grapple with him if u can in any way avoid the takedown. If he had khabibs takedowns he would be champ. Relying on the single doesn't give u many options. Like u say they all try to avoid it like the plague. His striking was improving, just too little to late. He is the man on the ground tho.

Khabib has more than just one td, that’s the difference, he can chain shit up, plus strike much better and it’s a much better athlete.

 

[true_fan]

Still not true, stoping a td has nothing to do with punching someone. Actually grapplers all the time fish for someone trying to puch to level change or get to a clinch or whatever, it gets complicated when the other person is in full defensive mode... now of course being a great puncher plus having sommslick tdd is better, but still is the great sprawl or tdd of any kind what’s going to keep you up, not the punching.

If what you say is remotely true, then why did JDS KO Verdoom and Cain did big Nog? They’re only really known for the best jitz in the H.W. division! Please don’t say they tried to stand because sometimes that’s ur only option!

 

[daniel san]

And when a BJJ guy submits a striker, does that mean striking has major flaws? Did Ortega show in the Swanson fight that boxing is extremely flawed?

When your opponents is able to decide where the fight takes place, everything you do is flawed.

 

[kflo]

Max doesn’t train bjj!!

 

[Bookfreak]

If you are just a striker without wrestling and bjj...tháts flawed. Just like a bjj guy without wrestling and striking

 

[Maripucci]

Relying on one martial art has flaws? someone really needs to invent mixed martial arts.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Sambo does have good takedowns, he's added aka wrestling takedowns in and has all the bjj he needs. Royce had horrible takedowns, as do most bjj guys. Damien would have won a title if he had wrestling takedowns and maybe some judo.

Sambo and BJJ are both descended from Judo, and have all the techniques from Judo in them. The difference is in the training and what is emphasized. Hell, most wrestling techniques are taught at every BJJ school. What makes wrestlers superior in a lot of scenarios isn't the techniques but the environment wrestlers are forged in. It's far more grueling and disciplined in it's training approach then any other combat sport really. I'm not aware of anywhere where they really train BJJ like that, and that might be what makes the difference. The thing is by the time you're a pro athlete that has been training for a long time, it may be to late to ever drill those takedowns like wrestlers do and develop that gut wrenching grinding ability to drive and drive and drive.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

How about Max has pretty damn good jitzu and also has good subs on his record

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

BJJ has been evolving in the wrong direction (oriented away from fighting application and towards meta points-games) for more than a decade. This according to many high profile trainers/fighters within the BJJ community

Small wonder why it's observably yeilding less and less effectiveness as a primary art in MMA since the mid-2000's, where it once ruled.

 

[RemyR]

Yeah, no UFC fighter does BJJ anymore.

Dumbass

 

[spannered]

Pure BJJ guys would be super well served to cross train in wrestling.

They have great ground games, but todays fighters have much evolved TDD.

I often wonder what would happen if we saw a legit Olympic caliber wrestler cross-train in BJJ, and achieve a high level black belt game. That would be seriously scary imo.

Khabib.

His BJJ is criminally underrated.

 

[MMA Maine-iac]

I thought Stipe was Bisping there for a minute.

 

[Zabit 145 Goat]

I would say it can be ineffective if you dont have the skills to compliment it. Bjj without wrestling in MMA definitely has holes