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Lubaolong
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+1 for some lions up in here
Again, first of all the Bible in one facet is a book of history. Many of the stories do record incidents of hate and iniquity. I believe they were put their too help us understand our heritage, God and his views on various issues, not to promote hatrid and iniquity.let us assume that god is all powerful and benevolent. on that, god would also be a good creature who does good works.
if god wrote the bible, then the bible would contain only good works.
that leaves us with the only versions of the bible we have in our possession in modern times.
the bible is filled with stories of hate and iniquity, it is however also filled with stories of benevolence and kindness.
where does this leave us?
god wrote the bible but man has changed it
god wrote the bible and is not who we believed he was
man wrote the bible, perhaps with a little help from above
and #4, that god wrote the bible in fact and included everything for a reason. to determine who could judge right from wrong for the right reasons... in this case it doesnt matter whether god wrote it himself or allowed man to write it incorrectly in his stead
i refuse to accept #2.
#1,#3 and #4 are the only options left and all involve man. say it with me, man is corruptible. if you believe in a benevolent god, that proves the existence of the devil. when there is hot, there is cold. when there is something, there can be nothing as well. right and wrong, left and right. bla bla bla bla.
we cannot determine what part god had in the bible. that is impossible and would require a direct action from god to tell us. until that happens we must act on our own god given logic.
since i refuse to accept #2, i must believe that god is benevolent and that he wishes us to be in his image (ie benevolent). if that is the case, then the only parts of the bible that i can accept are parts that speak of forgiveness and kindness.
i also believe that we are judged only by god and god only. so for man to tell me what is right and what is wrong must be taken with the utmost care. i cannot accept that if joe schmoe says sex before marriage is a sin just because he said the bible said so. i already know who wrote the bible. i must look deeper. i already pointed in my previous post what the deeper questioning provided.
so if god is the only judge then any passage in the bible that says something is absolutely evil is suspect since god is the only judge. again, when one reads a passage in the bible that says "god says this" you must not confuse man putting words in god's mouth.
if one takes the bible as their reference to living a good life, they must do so with the utmost caution and remove all faith in man from the equation. faith in god and his benevolence is different than faith in the bible.
do you believe in god? or do you believe in the bible?
this is why i am agnostic. for all i know i could entirely wrong and someday i may find myself in the halls of valhalla with a no vacancy sign.
death and the afterlife scare me deeply, but i am not willing to throw my chances of heaven into the hands of corrupt men with bibles, not that easily.
Sure! How about you address the logical boo-boo of the trinity. As i said in another thread, and not Christian was able to respond properly:
One entity interacting with us in three distinct ways. Next.
i've never seen this side of jesus, and frankly it scares me
"I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing you Jesus, I wanna feel your salvation all over my face."One day you will be sorry of your mockery when you are kneeling at Jesus's feet.
One day you will be sorry of your mockery when you are kneeling at Jesus's feet.
i've never seen this side of jesus, and frankly it scares me
fitch is kinda stupid.
fitch is kinda stupid.
"I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing you Jesus, I wanna feel your salvation all over my face."