Muay thai belt system

[Paradigm]

Dude your the one that brought up the S word. I just said it so North Americans didn't get it confused with "Shit Rugby with helmets".
If somebody hits pads and doest spar, are they doing Muay Thai or cardio kickboxing?

does it even matter if they dont spar? whats the point then? lol

its kinda like the tree falling in the woods saying...

 

[DaGenius]

Dude your the one that brought up the S word. I just said it so North Americans didn't get it confused with "Shit Rugby with helmets".
If somebody hits pads and doest spar, are they doing Muay Thai or cardio kickboxing?

People who only do cardio kickboxing are the lowest form of life So i see you point but people who are bag/pad bullies are still better than those cardio kickbox folks. Ill give them that much credit.

I think we agree that you have to climb in the ring to spar at least once to really say you have done muay thai

 

[Paradigm]

People who only do cardio kickboxing are the lowest form of life So i see you point but people who are bag/pad bullies are still better than those cardio kickbox folks. Ill give them that much credit.

I think we agree that you have to climb in the ring to spar at least once to really say you have done muay thai

that's just letting them off too easy...at least one leg must be severely bruised in sparring before they can say they've done Muay Thai. maybe also a couple smashed toes from a teep gone wrong.

at a minimum...

 

[nomilkforsanta]

that's just letting them off too easy...at least one leg must be severely bruised in sparring before they can say they've done Muay Thai. maybe also a couple smashed toes from a teep gone wrong.

at a minimum...

My coach says you need to do a bare shin fight with elbows (no pads) to be a real MT fighter.

 

[Paradigm]

My coach says you need to do a bare shin fight with elbows (no pads) to be a real MT fighter.

I'd agree with that...full rules Muay Thai is the real thing.

unfortunately, I'm too old and too pussy to ever do such a thing.

an MMA rules fight is probably the safer bet realistically.

 

[Pearse Shields]

My coach says you need to do a bare shin fight with elbows (no pads) to be a real MT fighter.

That's true. I want to fight full Thai rules for my next one.

 

[DaGenius]

that's just letting them off too easy...at least one leg must be severely bruised in sparring before they can say they've done Muay Thai. maybe also a couple smashed toes from a teep gone wrong.

at a minimum...

Haha the bruised leg will happen the first time they spar for sure The smashed toes come the second time

But I think we agree in general on this

 

[SummerStriker]

I'd be curious if we had a pole called, "the one true way to do MT," and asked people two questions:

What is the minimum effort to say you practice MT?

How much effort do you put into MT?

I bet that it will be almost 100% of people involved in MT that say that whatever it is that they do is what you have to do.

I always tell people I practice MT. You may not agree with my opinions or my technique, but I didn't make up anything I do myself, hardly at all.

However, I never tell people I'm a fighter. If I ever had, it was a one off slip of the tongue, and I don't think of myself as a fighter. I'm someone who practices martial arts.

I think people who actually fight in the ring deserve the title of fighter. I think anyone can practice martial arts, or be a martial artist.

 

[Paradigm]

I'd be curious if we had a pole called, "the one true way to do MT," and asked people two questions:

What is the minimum effort to say you practice MT?

How much effort do you put into MT?

I bet that it will be almost 100% of people involved in MT that say that whatever it is that they do is what you have to do.

I always tell people I practice MT. You may not agree with my opinions or my technique, but I didn't make up anything I do myself, hardly at all.

However, I never tell people I'm a fighter. If I ever had, it was a one off slip of the tongue, and I don't think of myself as a fighter. I'm someone who practices martial arts.

I think people who actually fight in the ring deserve the title of fighter. I think anyone can practice martial arts, or be a martial artist.

that's true but the distinction that was made in the above few posts was that you're not really fighting true MT unless you fight full rules...which is scary shit. especially because of elbows (I'm a vain guy)...though knees come in a close second.

I train all aspects of MT (though I need to really up my clinch work) but I'd never tell anyone I was an MT fighter if I never fought in a full rules bout. that's just a disservice to Muay Thai and to all the true MT fighters out there that risk their lives, health and looks (lol) for what they love to do.

 

[SummerStriker]

that's true but the distinction that was made in the above few posts was that you're not really fighting true MT unless you fight full rules...which is scary shit. especially because of elbows (I'm a vain guy)...though knees come in a close second.

I train all aspects of MT (though I need to really up my clinch work) but I'd never tell anyone I was an MT fighter if I never fought in a full rules bout. that's just a disservice to Muay Thai and to all the true MT fighters out there that risk their lives, health and looks (lol) for what they love to do.

It might set some minds to rest to reserve the title of fighter for people who fight in a ring. That's all I really mean.

I don't think it is a disservices to them to say, "I am a martial artist and I practice Muay Thai."

I think martial artists and fighters can figure out what you mean when you say that. I really do think the term, "fighter," is a special distinction.

That's a word game though. Some people think, "I practice / do Muay Thai," means, "I compete in full contact fights in a ring under full Muay Thai rules," and that just isn't the case. If someone thought it was, the second they have it explained they should be ok.

Trying to tell someone that they don't do Muay Thai because they don't fight is all I have an issue with.

 

[Paradigm]

It might set some minds to rest to reserve the title of fighter for people who fight in a ring. That's all I really mean.

I don't think it is a disservices to them to say, "I am a martial artist and I practice Muay Thai."

I think martial artists and fighters can figure out what you mean when you say that. I really do think the term, "fighter," is a special distinction.

That's a word game though. Some people think, "I practice / do Muay Thai," means, "I compete in full contact fights in a ring under full Muay Thai rules," and that just isn't the case. If someone thought it was, the second they have it explained they should be ok.

Trying to tell someone that they don't do Muay Thai because they don't fight is all I have an issue with.

fighting? not everyone is gonna fight full rules (or even amateur).

but not sparring??? it's integral to progressing in the art form.

training without sparring is like studying without ever taking a test.

would you call someone a boxer that only did bag/pad work and never sparred?

 

[Harukaze]

I'm more than willing to tell people that I practice Muay Thai, but I'll never say that I'm a fighter, a boxer, or a nak muay. I make it very clear that I'm a just Muay Thai hobbyist -- I've never fought a full-rules MT fight for a purse, so in my mind, that means I'm not a nak muay. But if someone told me that because of that, I'm don't practice Muay Thai, I'd tell them to piss off haha. Big difference between a guy that plays pickup basketball at 24 Hour Fitness and Michael Jordan, but both practice the same sport.

As for sparring, Muay Thai without ever sparring, even light sparring, just isn't Muay Thai. It's... bag work... or pad work. I think that's where I draw the line. You don't have to do a smoker or an interclub even, but you at least have to spar, even lightly, against a non-compliant opponent. It's like basketball without playing a game (even a halfcourt game) -- you're just shooting hoops then haha.

 

[SummerStriker]

For the record, I went to a big name gym run by a guy famous in the UFC about 5 years ago for a big sparring event with people from like 3-4 schools. It was a fun trip and no doubt, I learned a lot.

The guy who owns the gym had a strong opinion about professional fighters. He loudly, to everyone there, started talking about how he thinks it is ignorant for someone with less than 10 professional fights and a winning record to call themselves a professional fighter. Of course, he did, and so did a couple of his guys...

So his bar was really high. He didn't think much of hobbyists, or even professional fighters unless they fought a lot and were winning.

There is litterally no limit to how high the bar can be raised for a true scotsman.

 

[Paradigm]

I'm more than willing to tell people that I practice Muay Thai, but I'll never say that I'm a fighter, a boxer, or a nak muay. I make it very clear that I'm a just Muay Thai hobbyist -- I've never fought a full-rules MT fight for a purse, so in my mind, that means I'm not a nak muay. But if someone told me that because of that, I'm don't practice Muay Thai, I'd tell them to piss off haha. Big difference between a guy that plays pickup basketball at 24 Hour Fitness and Michael Jordan, but both practice the same sport.

I agree with all that for the most parr. full rules is the pinnacle of the sport..."as real as it gets" as Uncle Dana would probably say.

the difference between MJ this situation is that the 24hr fitness guy can (possibly) do everything Jordan can in the execution of his game. there aren't any ruleset restriction differences or anything between the pro and the amateur bball player. it's just that the level of athleticism and skill is way higher in the NBA.

to me, it takes a huge amount of balls to go into a FTR fight, knowing what you might be receiving. I'd love to see how my elbows are in a fight but that would mean possibly having elbows being used against me.

as for nak muay, doesn't it just mean that you're a student of Muay Thai? seems like its a title describing the type of practitioner...like judoka, karateka, wrestler, etc.

For the record, I went to a big name gym run by a guy famous in the UFC about 5 years ago for a big sparring event with people from like 3-4 schools. It was a fun trip and no doubt, I learned a lot.

The guy who owns the gym had a strong opinion about professional fighters. He loudly, to everyone there, started talking about how he thinks it is ignorant for someone with less than 10 professional fights and a winning record to call themselves a professional fighter. Of course, he did, and so did a couple of his guys...

So his bar was really high. He didn't think much of hobbyists, or even professional fighters unless they fought a lot and were winning.

There is litterally no limit to how high the bar can be raised for a true scotsman.

everyone has their own standards...his may be higher.

and really...props to anyone taking pro full rules fights in any of the combat sports but maybe he has a point.

a lot of guys probably washout of the sport because they just can't hack it. probably guys like that all over fight fight finder on here or boxrec.com.

these are low level pro fights for probably peanuts. maybe in his eyes, once you get past the 10 fight "probationary" period, you're a real fighter.

in the end, who cares really? everyone is entitled to their opinion and it may not agree with yours.

did him and his boys all have over 10 pro fights out of curiosity?

on a side note, I watched the Invicta fight with the first Scottish WMMA fighter in it today. for claiming Muay Thai as her style and watching her performance, I wasn't too impressed by what I saw. she did throw some elbows though so that's a plus.

 

[SummerStriker]

did him and his boys all have over 10 pro fights out of curiosity?

People in that town thought of him as the premium guy. I know he had a few people at least who were past 10 pro fights but I'm not really familiar with their school.

 

[Harukaze]

I agree with all that for the most parr. full rules is the pinnacle of the sport..."as real as it gets" as Uncle Dana would probably say.

the difference between MJ this situation is that the 24hr fitness guy can (possibly) do everything Jordan can in the execution of his game. there aren't any ruleset restriction differences or anything between the pro and the amateur bball player. it's just that the level of athleticism and skill is way higher in the NBA.

to me, it takes a huge amount of balls to go into a FTR fight, knowing what you might be receiving. I'd love to see how my elbows are in a fight but that would mean possibly having elbows being used against me.

as for nak muay, doesn't it just mean that you're a student of Muay Thai? seems like its a title describing the type of practitioner...like judoka, karateka, wrestler, etc.

Good point on the ruleset -- maybe basketball is more about physical limitations (re: dunking) than ruleset limitations, but you can get my drift I'm sure. :icon_lol:

The term "nak muay" is literally "boxer", so just like the English term, it implies professional (at least in the sense of doing it for a livelihood). It's also interesting to note that the "-ka" suffix in Japanese is technically reserved only for someone that's high-level in the given field (the prefix); the English equivalent would be saying someone is a "specialist" in what-have-you. The average Japanese person would shy away from calling himself a "judoka" because that would imply that he is has some degree of mastery in judo; even if that were the objective truth, culturally speaking it's too audacious a thing to say about oneself. The typical Japanese person would instead say that he "does judo" or is a "judo athlete" instead (a similar parallel is how the average Japanese teacher/professor would never call him/herself "sensei" [lit. "born before (you)"] but rather says that they are a "kyoushi" [a teacher] even though everyone else calls him/her "sensei").

 

[NAKMUAY18]

that's true but the distinction that was made in the above few posts was that you're not really fighting true MT unless you fight full rules...which is scary shit. especially because of elbows (I'm a vain guy)...though knees come in a close second.

I train all aspects of MT (though I need to really up my clinch work) but I'd never tell anyone I was an MT fighter if I never fought in a full rules bout. that's just a disservice to Muay Thai and to all the true MT fighters out there that risk their lives, health and looks (lol) for what they love to do.

Agree with this 100%. I've never competed in full MT with elbows so I would not consider myself a Nak Muay (yes I'm aware of the ironic screen name. It was a few years ago when I didn't know shit, now I know a little bit of shit). If someone asks if I fight, my reply is always, amateur, and would explain the difference in rules if needed. Same with boxing.
My opinion is that unless you've competed against someone, you've never really done MT, be it a smoker, interclub, whatever. MT is a sport. Sparring is a training tool to compete in that sport, not the end goal. Kicking a football around field is not football in the same way sparring is not MT. If you got a referee, goal posts, rules and opposition that were acctualy TRYING TO WIN. That would be football.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

I would add that I'm not a Martial Artist. I box under various rule sets, be it boxing, MT, kickboxing. I have no interest in beating guys up in Da Streez. I'm a grown up with a mortgage and car payments, I'm long past that phase. My sole intention of training is to compete in boxing and kickfighting, that is all. No self defence, no Easten philosophy, just competing in a sport

 

[SummerStriker]

Depends on where you live man. I can't walk to my car down town without bums swooping in. I haven't had to fight but I've had several friends get mugged. I almost got carjacked by a bum rushing my car in a cvs and had to tell at him twice to convince him I was the wrong car. I've had two guys twice try to set me up for a beating, one by myself in a Wendy's parking lot, and once leaving a bar.

I've always been able to stop things from happening by talking, but I'm 250 pounds so I'm sure that helps, and I could just be lucky.

I don't have a desire to street fight anyone. However, I used to be afraid of it happening and I used to feel more threatened. Training gives me peace of mind. Many of my classmates have been in situations, several 2 on 1, and one worse than that. They always came out on top.

On top of that, only a no rules street fight is intellectually stimulating to me in martial arts. Thinking of how to win by sport rules feels like busy work or chores. That's how little I'm interested in taking a fight. I enjoy thinking through terrain, groups, weapons, and dirty fighting with bare hands. I wouldn't enjoy the art or knowledge if it wasn't as complete or diverse as possible.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

On top of that, only a no rules street fight is intellectually stimulating to me in martial arts. Thinking of how to win by sport rules feels like busy work or chores. That's how little I'm interested in taking a fight. I enjoy thinking through terrain, groups, weapons, and dirty fighting with bare hands. I wouldn't enjoy the art or knowledge if it wasn't as complete or diverse as possible.

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