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Okay, so here is an attempt at a complete PWO powder that will rival the big names in quality and effectiveness but keep the cost down. Since this formula is purely an exercise in theory, I can't make any promises on the taste. Hydrolyzed proteins tend to be exceptionally bitter, and the customization sites advise you not to include them in formulas above 25% of the total weight; nevertheless, our very own Fat Wilhelm ordered this formula in the Premium Orange Cream flavor and reports that he finds it a pleasure to take down. I've also received PM's from 2 other members indicating the taste was just fine.
Update: On a tip from Wilhelm, I'm removing "Hydrolyzed Casein" as an option for the protein. He actually emailed True Protein and they told him (for some reason neglecting to post this on their site) that the hydrolyzed casein is roughly 10x as bitter as the hydrolyzed whey.
It's for this reason (exceptional bitterness) that hydrolysates aren't very popular, and consequently aren't very common among PWO or regular protein powders. Nevertheless, we're seeing more manufacturers add hydrolysates as their sort of top-shelf protein for the hardcore athletes. Biotest's Surge is probably the most well known formulation of glucose and a glucose polymer with whey hydrolysates, but less hardcore companies like Champion Nutrition with its ProScore 100 are capturing a wakening market of young guys who- once understanding the superiority of hydrolysates for PWO- are beginning to make the sacrifice on taste. Dymatize and ProLab have joined this race, too. I even saw Protein Lab added a Sonic (which almost perfectly mirrors "Surge" in composition and price. Protein Factory even claim Sonic contains the first "bitter-free" hydrolysate; they have a patent on it). This push in the market shouldn't be too surprising; longtime king of protein powders- ON 100% Whey- includes a small amount of hydrolyzed whey.
Simply go to www.trueprotein.com and click on the tab that says "Customized Products". I did this to simplify the process because I'd like to see some guys on here try this. Realize this: if you think the original formula's taste sucks balls, and find it unbearable: as long as you've got the immediate cash, you can fix it right away by ordering more regular protein and dextrose to dilute the amount of hydrolysates. Or just throw in whatever you have in the pantry right now.
Update: I've changed the ratio of dextrose:maltodextrin from 3:1 to 1:1, so they are now in equal parts. This will perfectly mirror the Surge formula, and the taste doesn't appear to be a concern (so the extra dextrose for sweetening isn't necessary).
My True Protein Custom Biotest Surge Mimicker:
30%: Hydrolyzed Whey Protein, High Grade
30%: Dextrose (aka d-glucose; a short-chain insulin-spiking carbohydrate)
30%: Maltodextrin (the glucose polymer; a medium-chain insulin-spiking carbohydrate)
5%: Creatine Monohydrate
5%: Branched Chain Amino Acids
Price: $5.83 per lb
1 lb yields ~4 servings (Serving= ~105-112g)
I strongly urge getting a premium flavor at an additional rate of $1.10/lb - $1.60/lb
Recommended Sweeteners: [1] Stevia (recommended for health reasons, not taste), [2] Splenda
Accessories:
Scoopers: $0.50, 25g (x4.5 for 1 serving) or 35g (x3 for 1 serving)
Jugs: $2 for 2 lb jug; $3 for 5 lb jug
Flavor Packs: $3.75 (will flavor 10-15 pounds)
Compare to the following similar premier formulas (that don't include creatine or taurine):
My Custom Formula: $5.83/lb
True Protein Fast Recovery: $6.84/lb
Biotest Surge: $10.50/lb
Protein Factory Sonic: $11.00/lb
Champion ProScore 100: $13.50/lb
Metabolic Adaptation Reload: $15.15/lb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
*A primer (not a scientific treatise) on why hydrolysate proteins are the supreme type of protein for PWO formulas:
Part 1: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/whey-protein-processing.htm
Part 2: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/whey-protein-processing-2.htm
Update: On a tip from Wilhelm, I'm removing "Hydrolyzed Casein" as an option for the protein. He actually emailed True Protein and they told him (for some reason neglecting to post this on their site) that the hydrolyzed casein is roughly 10x as bitter as the hydrolyzed whey.
It's for this reason (exceptional bitterness) that hydrolysates aren't very popular, and consequently aren't very common among PWO or regular protein powders. Nevertheless, we're seeing more manufacturers add hydrolysates as their sort of top-shelf protein for the hardcore athletes. Biotest's Surge is probably the most well known formulation of glucose and a glucose polymer with whey hydrolysates, but less hardcore companies like Champion Nutrition with its ProScore 100 are capturing a wakening market of young guys who- once understanding the superiority of hydrolysates for PWO- are beginning to make the sacrifice on taste. Dymatize and ProLab have joined this race, too. I even saw Protein Lab added a Sonic (which almost perfectly mirrors "Surge" in composition and price. Protein Factory even claim Sonic contains the first "bitter-free" hydrolysate; they have a patent on it). This push in the market shouldn't be too surprising; longtime king of protein powders- ON 100% Whey- includes a small amount of hydrolyzed whey.
Simply go to www.trueprotein.com and click on the tab that says "Customized Products". I did this to simplify the process because I'd like to see some guys on here try this. Realize this: if you think the original formula's taste sucks balls, and find it unbearable: as long as you've got the immediate cash, you can fix it right away by ordering more regular protein and dextrose to dilute the amount of hydrolysates. Or just throw in whatever you have in the pantry right now.
Update: I've changed the ratio of dextrose:maltodextrin from 3:1 to 1:1, so they are now in equal parts. This will perfectly mirror the Surge formula, and the taste doesn't appear to be a concern (so the extra dextrose for sweetening isn't necessary).
My True Protein Custom Biotest Surge Mimicker:
30%: Hydrolyzed Whey Protein, High Grade
30%: Dextrose (aka d-glucose; a short-chain insulin-spiking carbohydrate)
30%: Maltodextrin (the glucose polymer; a medium-chain insulin-spiking carbohydrate)
5%: Creatine Monohydrate
5%: Branched Chain Amino Acids
Price: $5.83 per lb
1 lb yields ~4 servings (Serving= ~105-112g)
I strongly urge getting a premium flavor at an additional rate of $1.10/lb - $1.60/lb
Recommended Sweeteners: [1] Stevia (recommended for health reasons, not taste), [2] Splenda
Accessories:
Scoopers: $0.50, 25g (x4.5 for 1 serving) or 35g (x3 for 1 serving)
Jugs: $2 for 2 lb jug; $3 for 5 lb jug
Flavor Packs: $3.75 (will flavor 10-15 pounds)
Compare to the following similar premier formulas (that don't include creatine or taurine):
My Custom Formula: $5.83/lb
True Protein Fast Recovery: $6.84/lb
Biotest Surge: $10.50/lb
Protein Factory Sonic: $11.00/lb
Champion ProScore 100: $13.50/lb
Metabolic Adaptation Reload: $15.15/lb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
*A primer (not a scientific treatise) on why hydrolysate proteins are the supreme type of protein for PWO formulas:
Part 1: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/whey-protein-processing.htm
Part 2: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/whey-protein-processing-2.htm