Objectively horrible crap done by consensus-good US Presidents

[Anung Un Rama]

Obama pressuring Yemeni president to keep Abdulelah Haider Shaye in prison for reporting on a US missile strike that killed nearly 50 people (21 children/ 14 woman among them) in al-Majalah. Obama also had Yemen take credit for the missile strike. This reporter revealed that was false as well.

 

[Sketch]

Obama pressuring Yemeni president to keep Abdulelah Haider Shaye in prison for reporting on a US missile strike that killed nearly 50 people (21 children/ 14 woman among them) in al-Majalah. Obama also had Yemen take credit for the missile strike. This reporter revealed that was false as well.

Yeah but Obama wouldn't do that. He won a peace prize. He was also very charismatic. The guy did a good job and this is a post that's dwelling on the past. Barry was also dealing with the past administrations problems.

 

[Sketch]

Sketch wants to troll in my thread. He gets this way with me every once in a while. It should pass in a couple weeks.

Feel free to put the @ in-front of my name next time. I'm not trolling.

I think you troll a lot though (Hillary 300 + electoral votes etc) Plus many other great lines from you.

 

[Fawlty]

Feel free to put the @ in-front of my name next time. I'm not trolling.

I think you troll a lot though (Hillary 300 + electoral votes etc) Plus many other great lines from you.

Sketch, I accept you for what you are.

 

[sickc0d3r]

How was Bush objectively good? I suppose if you're comparing to tRUmp...

Oh hell, I misread the OP. My bad...

 

[Sketch]

Sketch, I accept you for what you are.

Heh, same to you. We made the best of what this forum has become.

 

[Trotsky]

Sketch, I accept you for what you are.

But why?

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Maybe not necessarily the civil war itself , but Lincoln definitely shit all over the civil rights of certain people in the North during the war.

 

[Rational Poster]

I know it's kind of a problematic topic for a few reasons, but I had hoped the example I gave might set the tone. Jackson is (for some reason) seen as good, but there's the really obvious Trail of Tears shenanigans/murder. Maybe this is more of a trivia thread.

Let's go with Wikipedia's aggregate top 20 or so:

Abraham Lincoln
Franklin D. Roosevelt
George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
Harry S. Truman
Woodrow Wilson
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Andrew Jackson
John F. Kennedy
Barack Obama
James K. Polk
Lyndon B. Johnson
James Madison
John Adams
Ronald Reagan
James Monroe
Bill Clinton
William McKinley
Grover Cleveland

Abraham Lincoln - He limited free speech and appointed politically connected men to be generals, who sucked.
Franklin D. Roosevelt - More going after the press, Jap camps, and he was married to a distant cousin. He was also pen pals with Mussolini.
George Washington - Besides owning slaves, he conned his men during the French-Indian war out of something like 20,000 acres of land.
Theodore Roosevelt - A charlatan that used his connections to force himself and the US into a war that got a lot of Americans killed under his command because he sucked.
Thomas Jefferson - Dude had slaves and raped his slaves.
Harry S. Truman - Was a huge player in creating Israel and ramping up the cold war. Started the Korean War without congressional approval and then tried to blame his generals for it.
Woodrow Wilson - Huge racist. He re-segregated what little desegregation had occurred in the Federal Government.
Dwight D. Eisenhower - Another huge player making the cold war what it was. Racist also and didn't give a shit about McCarthyism spiraling out of control or the civil rights movement.
Andrew Jackson - Well this guy was obviously an asshole, huge racist, trail of tears, etc.
John F. Kennedy - Fucked bitches and hos all day. It was a problem. He was also majorly responsible for our failed foreign policy in Vietnam and got the ball rolling in Iraq supporting a Baathist coup.
Barack Obama - Drones, wishy washy interventionist policy.
James K. Polk - Huge prick to the Mexicans and the Indians. Just as racist as anyone else.
Lyndon B. Johnson - Vietnam, also he basically was overwhelmed with the job and just quit. Racist womanizer.
James Madison - War of 1812. Fucking idiot.
John Adams - Probably one of the biggest assholes to ever be President. Slave owner, authoritarian, prick.
Ronald Reagan - This guy was really terrible. Supplied Saddam weapons while he was busy gassing Kurds. Supplied weapons to everyone who is shooting at us today basically. Negotiated with terrorists. Invaded countries with democratically elected governments in South America. Huge douche bag.
James Monroe - Murdered Indians and stole Florida
Bill Clinton - Besides fucking almost as many hos as JFK, he bombed Sudan and that was bad.
William McKinley - He decided we should own Hawaii and the Philippines just because.
Grover Cleveland - He killed Americans on strike with Federal troops

 

[Fawlty]

Abraham Lincoln - He limited free speech and appointed politically connected men to be generals, who sucked.
Franklin D. Roosevelt - More going after the press, Jap camps, and he was married to a distant cousin. He was also pen pals with Mussolini.
George Washington - Besides owning slaves, he conned his men during the French-Indian war out of something like 20,000 acres of land.
Theodore Roosevelt - A charlatan that used his connections to force himself and the US into a war that got a lot of Americans killed under his command because he sucked.
Thomas Jefferson - Dude had slaves and raped his slaves.
Harry S. Truman - Was a huge player in creating Israel and ramping up the cold war. Started the Korean War without congressional approval and then tried to blame his generals for it.
Woodrow Wilson - Huge racist. He re-segregated what little desegregation had occurred in the Federal Government.
Dwight D. Eisenhower - Another huge player making the cold war what it was. Racist also and didn't give a shit about McCarthyism spiraling out of control or the civil rights movement.
Andrew Jackson - Well this guy was obviously an asshole, huge racist, trail of tears, etc.
John F. Kennedy - Fucked bitches and hos all day. It was a problem. He was also majorly responsible for our failed foreign policy in Vietnam and got the ball rolling in Iraq supporting a Baathist coup.
Barack Obama - Drones, wishy washy interventionist policy.
James K. Polk - Huge prick to the Mexicans and the Indians. Just as racist as anyone else.
Lyndon B. Johnson - Vietnam, also he basically was overwhelmed with the job and just quit. Racist womanizer.
James Madison - War of 1812. Fucking idiot.
John Adams - Probably one of the biggest assholes to ever be President. Slave owner, authoritarian, prick.
Ronald Reagan - This guy was really terrible Supplied Saddam weapons while he was busy gassing Kurds. Supplied weapons to everyone who is shooting at us today basically. Negotiated with terrorists. Invaded countries with democratically elected governments in South America. Huge douche bag.
James Monroe - Murdered Indians and stole Florida
Bill Clinton - Besides fucking almost as many hos as JFK, he bombed Sudan and that was bad.
William McKinley - He decided we should own Hawaii and the Philippines just because.
Grover Cleveland - He killed Americans on strike with Federal troops

But to be fair, being President is hard and stuff.

 

[Rod1]

I don't mean Lincoln and the Civil War, or Truman dropping the bomb. There are strong moral arguments for doing those thing

Werent you one of the guys who was crying about Assad gas attack?

My mistake if i confused you with someone else.

 

[Fawlty]

Werent you one of the guys who was crying about Assad gas attack?

My mistake if i confused you with someone else.

I was "crying" about the chemical weapons attack on civilians, yes.

Is there a strong moral argument in favor of Assad gassing his people? Is that debatable?

 

[Execute]

Bill Clinton thinking that Glass-Steagall wasn't relevant anymore.

 

[Rod1]

I was "crying" about the chemical weapons attack on civilians, yes.

Is there a strong moral argument in favor of Assad gassing his people? Is that debatable?

I would respond to this but then @Anung Un Rama would call me anti-American.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I would respond to this but then @Anung Un Rama will call me anti-American.

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[Kframe]

I don't mean Lincoln and the Civil War, or Truman dropping the bomb. There are strong moral arguments for doing those things, despite having terrible aspects to them.


I mean things like Teddy Roosevelt pardoning the slaver John Pace. I don't think much of Teddy, at all, but he is regarded well by history. His investigation of peonage (debt-slavery, typically fraudulently claimed) in the South was arguably a political stunt, producing relatively few convictions and investigations despite being widespread throughout the South.

Teddy, no matter how good anybody thinks he was, has to suck a gigantic fuck in hell for that one.

Kinda lost as I had never heard of Teds investigation of Peonage. But was it such a crime that he should suck a fuck in hell? If it was a political stunt, then I kinda shrug as all politicians are want to do that kind of thing.

 

[Kframe]

FDR and his jap camps.

Didn't they have camps for Germans and Italians as well?

 

[Kframe]

Obama and his drone strike policy.

What is so bad about it? Was the one thing he did I liked. Enemies of the state should die. Drone is the best way.

 

[HomerThompson]

What is so bad about it? Was the one thing he did I liked. Enemies of the state should die. Drone is the best way.

Extrajudicial killing, and assassinating people in other countries that we aren't at war with is a big no no for those of us who value the rule of law.

 

[Kframe]

I disagree vehemently. But, I also disagree with using nuclear weapons, so there you are.

More lives would have been lost in the inevitable invasion of Japan. Neither was good. But Dropping the bombs was the clearly lesser of the two evils.