Prime Fedor was what Cain wished to be

[AfroBanana]

The best Pride fighters aged horribly overnight in their early 30s

like Fedor, Shogun, Big & Little Nog, Wandy, and Cro Cop.

Meanwhile, the lesser guys in that era, guys like Hunt, Werdum, and Overeem kept going and somehow got better by the time the best guys in Pride started declining.

I wonder if the best guys just trained too hard in their early 20s, while the lesser guys didn't take training seriously till 30 thus prolonging their careers from reduced amounts of damage.

That's gotta be one of the main factors, right?

+ most of the best pride guys just didn't adapt their game to their best strengths, they relied on what made them successful in pride but their bodies just weren't the same anymore by the time they reached the UFC.

You look at Glover, slower, more flat-footed than before, yet he only relies on what he needs to, using his boxing to set up the takedown.

Why didn't Fedor adapt his game at all? His sambo is the best at HW, why would he rely solely on stand-up when his chin is gone, he's so much slower, and his defense is non existent.

It reminds me of JDS and refusing to stop backing up into the cage

This isn’t exclusive to PRIDE it’s the nature of the sport. Guys like Diego, Condit and Weidman (and many others) expired quickly. Guys like Gegard, Hendo, Aoki stayed competitive. You can make a massive list of guys in every org that had the same thing happen (looked amazing here or there at this point of time and fizzled). Longevity is a bitch for everyone, Cody Garbrandt, Roger Huerta are other examples. I think sometimes we try to make it out to be more than it is, it’s not exclusive to Shogun even if some variables factor in. Shit happens, part of the game.

 

[RoyJonesJr]

This isn’t exclusive to PRIDE it’s the nature of the sport. Guys like Diego, Condit and Weidman (and many others) expired quickly. Guys like Gegard, Hendo, Aoki stayed competitive. You can make a massive list of guys in every org that had the same thing happen (looked amazing here or there at this point of time and fizzled). Longevity is a bitch for everyone, Cody Garbrandt, Roger Huerta are other examples. I think sometimes we try to make it out to be more than it is, it’s not exclusive to Shogun even if some variables factor in. Shit happens, part of the game.

ya true, everyone ages differently.

Theres so many variables, something like one bad surgery or just the mental aspect of the sport

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Real shame about Cain's injuries, he's the uncrowned HW GOAT

 

[xn7]

Cain was a monster come on now.

 

[Renault]

People have always treated Fedor like it was their religion. Wrestlers with actual BJJ like Cain would give Fedor fits on the ground. Fedor is tremendous but lets not go overboard.

 

[DS7]

Cain got hurt like 40 times by Kongo though.

Prime Fedor literally got rocked by a pro wrestler you don't wanna go there.

 

[Natural Order]

Prime Cain and Prime DC are the two fighters who I see as posing the biggest threat to Prime Fedor.

 

[JarlSkuld]

Prime Cain is what Fedor wished he could have been...when he was fighting Bigfoot. Imagine Prime Cain with PRIDE match-making, getting a random can with 1-2 pro fights of experience every other bout and racking up wins. Instead, Cain had to fight the same killers over and over due to UFC rematch-making.

Jarl

 

[The Last King]

Prime Cain is what Fedor wished he could have been...when he was fighting Bigfoot. Imagine Prime Cain with PRIDE match-making, getting a random can with 1-2 pro fights of experience every other bout and racking up wins. Instead, Cain had to fight the same killers over and over due to UFC rematch-making.

Jarl

Cains body would have broken down from Fedors first 4 years of fighting..

You can always expect clown posts from a moron named Jarl lol

 

[pinero]

he got rocked slightly ? He got dropped. He got so rocked that he could not stay on his feet. Nice try.

Slow down, maybe your memory is a little bit foggy, rocked yes but he got a take down in the same sequence:

 

[Neck&Neck]

Take a drink every time you read the word, Prime

 

[Frank Kain]

The best Pride fighters aged horribly overnight in their early 30s

like Fedor, Shogun, Big & Little Nog, Wandy, and Cro Cop.

Meanwhile, the lesser guys in that era, guys like Hunt, Werdum, and Overeem kept going and somehow got better by the time the best guys in Pride started declining.

I wonder if the best guys just trained too hard in their early 20s, while the lesser guys didn't take training seriously till 30 thus prolonging their careers from reduced amounts of damage.

That's gotta be one of the main factors, right?

+ most of the best pride guys just didn't adapt their game to their best strengths, they relied on what made them successful in pride but their bodies just weren't the same anymore by the time they reached the UFC.

You look at Glover, slower, more flat-footed than before, yet he only relies on what he needs to, using his boxing to set up the takedown.

Why didn't Fedor adapt his game at all? His sambo is the best at HW, why would he rely solely on stand-up when his chin is gone, he's so much slower, and his defense is non existent.

It reminds me of JDS and refusing to stop backing up into the cage

Great post, well put

 

[JarlSkuld]

Cains body would have broken down from Fedors first 4 years of fighting..

You can always expect clown posts from a moron named Jarl lol

Jarl

 

[pick999]

Prime Fedor vs Prime Cain is one of the best fantasy matchups you can come up with

Cain would of got stopped

 

[MMAK]

He did not ragdoll CroCop but fought a perfect fight.

Prime Ubereem in the Lesnar fight and Nganou would be the two scariest heavyweights due to size and sheer power. Ubereem didn't last though.

Prime Fedor was maybe the meanest and most skilled. Super quick and brutal.

He was never the most skilled by a longshot. He always had weak guard and was unskilled brawling striker relying on speed and punching power. Arona (got robbed), Werdum, Big Foor, Bader easily outgrappled him and even Hendo and Rodgers reversed him on the ground. Crocop, Bigfoot, Bader were easily evading and countering his flailing haymakers. Injured Maldonado countered and almost finished him. Bader countered his hooks and overhand punches and oneshotted him with a jab. Prime Fedor would have better chin but wouldn't be able to beat Bader either. Prime Fedor wouldn't be top 10 in modern UFC with this kind of technique. Even, Fujita wobbled Fedor after he started throwing haymakers. He always had bad defense.

 

[Jonah Raine]

Prime Cain is what Fedor wished he could have been...when he was fighting Bigfoot. Imagine Prime Cain with PRIDE match-making, getting a random can with 1-2 pro fights of experience every other bout and racking up wins. Instead, Cain had to fight the same killers over and over due to UFC rematch-making.

Jarl

The “cans” Fedor fought were giants tho. Literally 3 times bigger. But Islam has 10lb advantage, and its a hysteria

 

[markantony20]

Werdum not only submitted Big Nog with an armbar but he submitted Fedor as well. But those don't count because "Prime"?

People LOVE to move when a fighter was in their “prime”

The fighter picks up a win against a tough opponent? “Ohh yeah that was prime X fighter”

The fighter loses “ohh no he was totally washed at that point”.

 

[no fat chicks]

Werdum not only submitted Big Nog with an armbar but he submitted Fedor as well. But those don't count because "Prime"?

Yes.

Would Jake Paul beat Anderson in his prime?

 

[ferrisjso]

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again

 

[Leon Edwards]

You got it wrong Cain is who Fedor wanted to be. Fedor fought cans his whole career