International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Siver!]

That traitorous piece of pig filth is going to get what he deserves.





Russian I.F.F. (Identification Friend or Foe) needs a SERIOUS upgrade.

"Do your own research", the motto of subversive fucksticks directing people to their pre-established misinformation campaigns.

Also, if that dude is American, I'll eat my hat.

 

[Cid]

I have a feeling this is going to be terrifying.

 

[PEB]

Even if one buys your economic hit to US argument, what will happen to Europe in such a scenario in your opinion if Trump goes nuts and does pull out?

This is over defense industries an Lockheed has already stated they are expanding operations Europe. By doing so means 1,000 of jobs over the next decade. Norway alone has announced 127 billion in defense spending.

Again over the next decade even small countries like Estonia have announced multi-billion dollar expenditures. Guess were that money not going?

 

[PEB]

"Do your own research", the motto of subversive fucksticks directing people to their pre-established misinformation campaigns.

Also, if that dude is American, I'll eat my hat.

He is he was a state rep an former member of the Army. It's all over the news here where he lived my home state. He was arrested in 2019 and was released after posting bond. He ran in 2021 as his court date was 2022.

Unfortunately there are a lot of MAGA fruitcakes in the US who think Putn is a better President then Biden.

 

[PEB]

Oh, Pres. Putin owns Trump, lock, stock, and barrel.

Putin bought $2 billion worth of debt that Duetsche Bank had from Trump. Putin just... Bought it. Then you have Eric Trump saying that "We get all of our money from Russia."

Putin owns Trump

Duetsche Bank is evil they used to hold a golf classic in Massachusetts. When the news broke about their connections with Russia they pulled out of that event.

 

[mjfan23]

This is over defense industries an Lockheed has already stated they are expanding operations Europe. By doing so means 1,000 of jobs over the next decade. Norway alone has announced 127 billion in defense spending.

Again over the next decade even small countries like Estonia have announced multi-billion dollar expenditures. Guess were that money not going?

Makes sense.

But this isn’t unique or doomsday like. You just tax em harder and in a more creative manner along with sanctioning certain tech transfer. Apple the world’s biggest company was registered out of Ireland and builds most of their shit in China. We did ok with em

 

[SandisLL]

There are also trolls comments in YT about nitrocellulose. EU countries does have capacity as No2 in world level to produce explosives. Even without import from Russia and U.S or China. Enough to turn all Ukraine into moon crater.
Problem for production is casing for shells etc. Otherwise europe might produce damn a lot of lot stuff from gunpowder till C-4 and Octol etc.

 

[PEB]

Makes sense.

But this isn’t unique or doomsday like. You just tax em harder and in a more creative manner along with sanctioning certain tech transfer. Apple the world’s biggest company was registered out of Ireland and builds most of their shit in China. We did ok with em

Then they return favor and is this not Trumps idea anyway to breakup NATO even better in their eyes grow NATO and reduce US reliance. The side effect a trillion in US defense spending by NATO allies being cut off over the next 5 to 10 years. US defense contractors will respond by cutting jobs in mostly southern states where they have some of the biggest operations including Louisiana "Mike Johnson home state" and Alabama where HIMARS are put on trucks.

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[Boxiana]

If America passes a single bill this war does another 180.

How so?

 

[mjfan23]

How so?

No idea what he meant but zelensky was on tv today and saying if America doesn’t pass that bill Ukraine will lose the war.

 

[Cid]

How so?

Europe has been ramping up commitment while America has been piss farting around. Big news in that regard is finding shells outside Europe to the tune of around 2 million.

Likely Ukraine receives more shells "from" Europe in 2024 than they did in '22 and '23 combined.


America/South Korea brought Ukraine to artillery superiority when Europe contributed almost nothing. Now that Europe is providing shells at a decent rate America/SK help brings Ukraine back to artillery superiority.

With the full list of capabilities. 105,155, cluster artillery, GMLRS, cluster GMLRS, GLSDB and ATACMS. For an extended time. Something Ukraine has never had. Longer range and greater precision + shell count superiority for an extended time = Ukraine winning the artillery war.


Then you have Ukraine developing their own long range capabilities. The deep strikes into Russia will be given priority and increase dramatically in 2024. There's been hundreds of drones sent into Russia so far this year and thousands more are on their way. Tens of thousands in 2025. The war is coming to Russia.

It massively helps Ukraines air defense problems.
It multiplies the f-16 programs effectiveness.
It buys Europe years to ramp up their own production.


Whole lot of bad news for Putin if America passes just one military aid bill.
If not a whole lot of bad news for Ukraine.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Europe has been ramping up commitment while America has been piss farting around. Big news in that regard is finding shells outside Europe to the tune of around 2 million.

Likely Ukraine receives more shells "from" Europe in 2024 than they did in '22 and '23 combined.


America/South Korea brought Ukraine to artillery superiority when Europe contributed almost nothing. Now that Europe is providing shells at a decent rate America/SK help brings Ukraine back to artillery superiority.

With the full list of capabilities. 105,155, cluster artillery, GMLRS, cluster GMLRS, GLSDB and ATACMS. For an extended time. Something Ukraine has never had. Longer range and greater precision + shell count superiority for an extended time = Ukraine winning the artillery war.


Then you have Ukraine developing their own long range capabilities. The deep strikes into Russia will be given priority and increase dramatically in 2024. There's been hundreds of drones sent into Russia so far this year and thousands more are on their way. Tens of thousands in 2025. The war is coming to Russia.

It massively helps Ukraines air defense problems.
It multiplies the f-16 programs effectiveness.
It buys Europe years to ramp up their own production.


Whole lot of bad news for Putin if America passes just one military aid bill.
If not a whole lot of bad news for Ukraine.

Too bad it seems Moscow Mike has been compromised and is content on playing games and kicking the can down the road as long as he can.

 

[curryjunkie]

Europe has been ramping up commitment while America has been piss farting around. Big news in that regard is finding shells outside Europe to the tune of around 2 million.

Likely Ukraine receives more shells "from" Europe in 2024 than they did in '22 and '23 combined.


America/South Korea brought Ukraine to artillery superiority when Europe contributed almost nothing. Now that Europe is providing shells at a decent rate America/SK help brings Ukraine back to artillery superiority.

With the full list of capabilities. 105,155, cluster artillery, GMLRS, cluster GMLRS, GLSDB and ATACMS. For an extended time. Something Ukraine has never had. Longer range and greater precision + shell count superiority for an extended time = Ukraine winning the artillery war.


Then you have Ukraine developing their own long range capabilities. The deep strikes into Russia will be given priority and increase dramatically in 2024. There's been hundreds of drones sent into Russia so far this year and thousands more are on their way. Tens of thousands in 2025. The war is coming to Russia.

It massively helps Ukraines air defense problems.
It multiplies the f-16 programs effectiveness.
It buys Europe years to ramp up their own production.


Whole lot of bad news for Putin if America passes just one military aid bill.
If not a whole lot of bad news for Ukraine.

America contributed a shitload of stuff in first 2 years, but it's a myth that Europe didn't step up

 

[SandisLL]

Europe has been ramping up commitment while America has been piss farting around. Big news in that regard is finding shells outside Europe to the tune of around 2 million.

Likely Ukraine receives more shells "from" Europe in 2024 than they did in '22 and '23 combined.


America/South Korea brought Ukraine to artillery superiority when Europe contributed almost nothing. Now that Europe is providing shells at a decent rate America/SK help brings Ukraine back to artillery superiority.

With the full list of capabilities. 105,155, cluster artillery, GMLRS, cluster GMLRS, GLSDB and ATACMS. For an extended time. Something Ukraine has never had. Longer range and greater precision + shell count superiority for an extended time = Ukraine winning the artillery war.


Then you have Ukraine developing their own long range capabilities. The deep strikes into Russia will be given priority and increase dramatically in 2024. There's been hundreds of drones sent into Russia so far this year and thousands more are on their way. Tens of thousands in 2025. The war is coming to Russia.

It massively helps Ukraines air defense problems.
It multiplies the f-16 programs effectiveness.
It buys Europe years to ramp up their own production.


Whole lot of bad news for Putin if America passes just one military aid bill.
If not a whole lot of bad news for Ukraine.

Europe actually had paid damn a lot : for example Ukr refugees expenses approx 46 b EUR till today, really simple macro financial assistance bills 20+18+4,5 b are paid in order to keep Ukr State Treasury and Central bank from default plus add here loans and warrant letters etc...including to act as middle man with IMF, EBRD, IBRD, WB in order to get them to forgive loans payments delays and encouraging them to issue new loans instead to press on payments to be done according to schedule....

Additionally other kind of support like military tools and ammo plus damn a lot of stuff for civies... donated by casuals, municipalities and government's etc..

 

[Cid]

America contributed a shitload of stuff in first 2 years, but it's a myth that Europe didn't step up

I should rephrase that bit. I'm talking about artillery munitions.

Europe didn't really have the artillery to make anywhere near the impact America had in an artillery war.

Further to that South Korea has a massive stockpile that's back filling America's stockpile.


Many countries in Europe gave substantially bigger efforts than America but they just don't have anything near the artillery capacity which is the primary weapon in this war.

 

[SandisLL]

I should rephrase that bit. I'm talking about artillery munitions.

Europe didn't really have the artillery to make anywhere near the impact America had in an artillery war.

Further to that South Korea has a massive stockpile that's back filling America's stockpile.


Many countries in Europe gave substantially bigger efforts than America but they just don't have anything near the artillery capacity which is the primary weapon in this war.

Europe does have at least 9 countries where to deplete stockpiles is suicide type stuff cos they does have huge risk to get real conventional war.
It is idotism to deny this reality. Especially if Russia will subjugate Ukraine and will be capable to use ukrainians as meat for next war ...
They does have such experience and will repeat if meat will remain enough.

 

[scgst4]

Cope with this

MSN

 

[Hog-train]

Russia is just stalling and counting the days hoping Trump gets into office.

Then US support for the war will dry up.

 

[Strychnine]

So, it seems that Trump's "Ukraine master plan" is to just cutoff the aid so that Russia keeps the territory they have already taken.

Isn't that what the U.S. Speaker Of the House (Republican), is doing now?

Don't forget that the EU is now "Trump-proofing" their aid to Ukraine also. They're no longer counting on the U.S. to help.

You have to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

 

[Siver!]

So, it seems that Trump's "Ukraine master plan" is to just cutoff the aid so that Russia keeps the territory they have already taken.

Isn't that what the U.S. Speaker Of the House (Republican), is doing now?

Don't forget that the EU is now "Trump-proofing" their aid to Ukraine also. They're no longer counting on the U.S. to help.

You have to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Pretty proud of the EU (and the UK) for this one.

It was clear we needed to 'Trump-proof' the future of the continent, and they are doing just that.

Excellent.