So if Jon snitched to USADA, who did he snitch on?

How would he know anyone to snitch on if he was cleared? Doesnt being cleared imply he didnt intentionally do anything which implies he doesnt know anyone to snitch on?




















Or can we just accept USADA got paid off, Jon cheated, and now we get to see him fight again?
 
USADA can say that Jon snitched but they can't specify who he snitched on.
except they will in time.

anything that ends in an anti doping violation (which 10.6.1.1 requires) will be made public on the USADA website

every instance that is a result of whistleblowing is clearly detailed in its description as "intelligence based" "investigation" etc etc

So yes, in time, anything that comes of Jons information will be public.

It always has been in EVERY SINGLE whistleblower case, there is no reason at this time to think this will be any different
 
How would he know anyone to snitch on if he was cleared? Doesnt being cleared imply he didnt intentionally do anything which implies he doesnt know anyone to snitch on?

not at all.

ive never doped, but i can tell you where to get some.

innocence/guilt does not prevent you having information, especially in a close knit environment like MMA
 
It might be someone they already suspended, because Jon has been acting cocky for a while now about his return (not something you generally do if you're still waiting on a verdict), so look at who trains at Jackson WInk whos been popped since Jon popped and that might be the answer. didnt Frank Mir pop right after Jones for the same PED (Turinabol)? Both train at JW and have had drama between them in the past, that might be the answer.
no, mir was considerably earlier.
 
Yea Usada is going to suspend the hell out of that dealer, no fights for 5 years

actually they can. what it does it it prevents anyone in the registered testing pool associating with him. working with him or employing him.

if they do, they are committing an anti doping rule violation.

its really pretty simple

theres countless coaches, doctors etc been suspended by usada over the years.
 

lets go down a hypothetical path. im going to stress this is totally hypothetical using Cowboy as an example.


So lets say Jones had something on Cerrone. Maybe he thinks Donald is supplying ped's out of his ranch etc..

USADA start an investigation but they also target test Donald hitting him twice in one week (as they actually did in July)

Donald tests positive in that second visit, but USADA dont make that public initially, instead, they contact Cerrone, say look, Jones has given us all the info, we know what you are doing. You have a choice. You can cooperate with us now, or we will go after you for a multi year ban.

Cerrone agrees to co-operate, so to keep that quiet in the short term they don't announce the potential violation (Which is standard USADA practise anyway, its UFC that make public the PV's)

Cerrone then starts blabbing in two directions.. one, where he gets his gear so that can start one line of enquiry.. second, he leaves Jacksons and starts blabbing about what he knows from his time there...

it really doesnt take much for these things to snowball.



Once one person blabs to save their skin, its amazing how many other people will think fuck it, im out for myself as well then, gonna do what I can to save my skin.



All the big cases, Balco, Armstrong, etc all started because one person blabbed and that started the ball rolling.
 
not at all.

ive never doped, but i can tell you where to get some.

innocence/guilt does not prevent you having information, especially in a close knit environment like MMA
The difference between you and JJ is he did dope.....twice.
 
actually they can. what it does it it prevents anyone in the registered testing pool associating with him. working with him or employing him.

if they do, they are committing an anti doping rule violation.

its really pretty simple

theres countless coaches, doctors etc been suspended by usada over the years.
Frankly I no longer care about your organization or its rules
 
USADA: “We are following leads that would be jeopardised if divulged.”

Real answer: Nobody, but usada couldn’t say we got a big bag of Moe’s laundry* to look the other way.
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If that’s the case why wait so long, and not clear him?
 
except they will in time.

anything that ends in an anti doping violation (which 10.6.1.1 requires) will be made public on the USADA website

every instance that is a result of whistleblowing is clearly detailed in its description as "intelligence based" "investigation" etc etc

So yes, in time, anything that comes of Jons information will be public.

It always has been in EVERY SINGLE whistleblower case, there is no reason at this time to think this will be any different



They won't blatantly say who Jon told on. They would have done that already.
 
They won't blatantly say who Jon told on. They would have done that already.
no, but anyone with a brain will be able to work out which of any upcoming sanctions are related to information given by him,.


the sanctions will include words like "intelligence" or "investigation" in them

they will be persons from locations that are obviously connected etc

no, they wont mention Jon by name, but in every single whistleblower case in the past, it has been really easy to work out which sanctions were connected to each other. its really not hard.



it wont just be "x tests positive"

it will be specific things, and it will be stated as part of an investigation, or intelligence gatherered etc.

ive seen countless instances of these, Jon isnt the first whistleblower.. theres been 3-4 notable ones across various anti doping agencies just in the last two years.



the last one in weightlifting that was started by Mike Zoda who got caught by USADA and flipped, then Dave Bayer and Megan Palicka got done as a result of his evidence and both of them in turn "cooperated", and finally Michael Gringas got 12 years for distribution and trafficking..

in none of their sanctions did it implicitly mention how they got caught, but it really wasnt fucking rocket science to work out the chain. And everyone close to them knew anyway.

this will be no different.

ive seen a dozen cases like this

The zoda fallout>
https://www.usada.org/michael-zoda-accepts-doping-sanction/
https://www.usada.org/david-bayer-accepts-doping-sanction/
https://www.usada.org/megan-palicka-accepts-doping-sanction/
https://www.usada.org/michael-gingras-accepts-doping-sanction/



there was another in masters cycling, one guy caught so he flips on everyone and suddenly theres a whole run of busts on other riders based on "investigation" or "intelligence gathered" as opposed to positive sample collection (there were a few flat out refused to be tested)

pretty simple to join the dots
 
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